[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Carlos Vera Quintana]

"I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are positively looking towards helping the HQ"

I'm  sure also!

We have a meeting with the staff of ISOC HQ in our region and we hope to discuss with them on this issues.

As can be seen, not all issues are problems for all chapters. But what really matter is the "concept behind" some articles or phrases even "when appropriate"

Carlos Vera Quintana
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> El 22/10/2013, a las 5:23, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> escribió:
> 
> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos :)
> But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
> 
> 
> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are positively looking towards helping the HQ.
> 
> 
> v.
> 
> 
>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>> 
>> Very complicated situation
>> 
>> Carlos Vera
>> 
>> Internet Society Ecuador
>> www.isoc.org.ec
>> Síguenos @isocec
>> 
>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl> escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>> 
>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the AMS system.
>>> An estimated near thousand member records are lost and/or corrupted.
>>> Maybe more, because who knows what happened before we recognized the
>>> problems? There are simply no activity logs on membership database
>>> mutations or just basic backups available to us.
>>> 
>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back / recovery requests
>>> to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but until now zero solutions.
>>> Even our positive response to the proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the
>>> (for us useless) renewal function didn't result in any action.
>>> The only (sad) advantage is that the number of complains from our
>>> members on spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>> 
>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance (read
>>> compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very concerned with this
>>> situation.
>>> 
>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this, soon result in
>>> some improvements and we all can go back to our core activities.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dick Kalkman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote:
>>>> Veni and Klaus,
>>>> 
>>>> I fully agree with all you have said.
>>>> Instead on mission the HQ is planning how to
>>>> "discipline" the chapters. I fully agree also
>>>> what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and the AMS (clumsy, not effective,
>>>> duplication of the administration etc.) A month ago cca 40  members of
>>>> ISOC SI were deleted from AMS, because
>>>> their renewal was not done on time!! When I asked the data  to be
>>>> recovered - the answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best,
> Veni Markovski
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