[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Veni Markovski]

If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos :)
But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.


I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at 
the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction to 
John More's email I see that chapters are positively looking towards 
helping the HQ.


v.


On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>
> Very complicated situation
>
> Carlos Vera
>
> Internet Society Ecuador
> www.isoc.org.ec
> Síguenos @isocec
>
>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl> escribió:
>>
>>
>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>
>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the AMS system.
>> An estimated near thousand member records are lost and/or corrupted.
>> Maybe more, because who knows what happened before we recognized the
>> problems? There are simply no activity logs on membership database
>> mutations or just basic backups available to us.
>>
>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back / recovery requests
>> to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but until now zero solutions.
>> Even our positive response to the proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the
>> (for us useless) renewal function didn't result in any action.
>> The only (sad) advantage is that the number of complains from our
>> members on spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>
>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance (read
>> compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very concerned with this
>> situation.
>>
>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this, soon result in
>> some improvements and we all can go back to our core activities.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Dick Kalkman
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote:
>>> Veni and Klaus,
>>>
>>> I fully agree with all you have said.
>>> Instead on mission the HQ is planning how to
>>> "discipline" the chapters. I fully agree also
>>> what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and the AMS (clumsy, not effective,
>>> duplication of the administration etc.) A month ago cca 40  members of
>>> ISOC SI were deleted from AMS, because
>>> their renewal was not done on time!! When I asked the data  to be
>>> recovered - the answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere

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