[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Borka Jerman Blazic]

I am confident too that the officers would like to help.

First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing in 
AMS, enable automatic renewal,
enable reminder messages ect., make the AMS user friendly).  Make the 
funding of chapter  events appropriate
regarding the locations and regarding  the specified  Costs supported 
with relevant evidences (with some reasonable restrictions).
Make the EU regional Bureau   work with the chapters, the week clippings 
are good but this is not
what is expected.  Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.

Regards,

Borka

p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the 
membership provide sufficiently relevant information.
So far no evidence  of their usefulness!

Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos :)
> But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>
>
> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at 
> the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction 
> to John More's email I see that chapters are positively looking 
> towards helping the HQ.
>
>
> v.
>
>
> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to sovereignty 
>> in different discussions in the list.
>>
>> Very complicated situation
>>
>> Carlos Vera
>>
>> Internet Society Ecuador
>> www.isoc.org.ec
>> Síguenos @isocec
>>
>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>
>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the AMS system.
>>> An estimated near thousand member records are lost and/or corrupted.
>>> Maybe more, because who knows what happened before we recognized the
>>> problems? There are simply no activity logs on membership database
>>> mutations or just basic backups available to us.
>>>
>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back / recovery 
>>> requests
>>> to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but until now zero solutions.
>>> Even our positive response to the proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of 
>>> the
>>> (for us useless) renewal function didn't result in any action.
>>> The only (sad) advantage is that the number of complains from our
>>> members on spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>>
>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance (read
>>> compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very concerned with 
>>> this
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this, soon 
>>> result in
>>> some improvements and we all can go back to our core activities.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote:
>>>> Veni and Klaus,
>>>>
>>>> I fully agree with all you have said.
>>>> Instead on mission the HQ is planning how to
>>>> "discipline" the chapters. I fully agree also
>>>> what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and the AMS (clumsy, not 
>>>> effective,
>>>> duplication of the administration etc.) A month ago cca 40 members of
>>>> ISOC SI were deleted from AMS, because
>>>> their renewal was not done on time!! When I asked the data to be
>>>> recovered - the answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>


-- 
Prof.dr.Borka Jerman-Blažič Head, Laboratory for Open systems and 
Networks Jožef Stefan Institute and Faculty of Economics, Ljubljana 
University Slovenia tel. +386 1 477 3408 tel. +386 1 477 3756 mob. +386 
41 678 410