[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Tue Nov 19 09:44:51 PST 2013

Observationally the comments I'm seeing suggest that there is a strong
sense that the Obama administration is promising one thing in public for
instance to allow phones to be unlocked from networks but in practice
has been drafting to make this illegal across all TTIP countries.
Likewise it has been "sympathetic" to copyright reformers in public
whilst it is promoting enlargement in the treaty and in a way that will
make reform very hard in other countries but also in the US.  It is
amusing that last week a US based judge concluded that Google Book
scanning is legal based on fair use when the this treaty is drafted to
remove fairuse.

There is more than a tinge of systematic political duplicity here.
Whether it is intentional or just one hand not knowing what the other is
doing the effect is that once again we have the US leading a secret
negotiation where a small coterie of insiders are dictating disastrous
policy changes on the many. 

Christian

> Frédéric Donck 
> 19 November 2013 14:33
> Alejandro
>
> beaten to the punch!. Couldn’t say it better. TTIP brings already
> *tons* of worrying questions re: transparency and key issues wrt
> Internet. So yes, the European Bureau, in close cooperation with my
> colleagues of Policy, is preparing our action towards MEPs and key EU
> stakeholders.
>
> Best
> Frederic
>
>
> Le 19 nov. 2013 à 15:28, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch  > a écrit :
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
> 19 November 2013 14:28
> Veni,
>
> thanks. 
>
> The caveat here is that Brussels may have concerns about the TPP
> (Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement), but even more about the
> possibly upcoming Trans-Atlantic one, which would involve European
> countries directly.
>
> One more good reason to be happy about ISOC chapter collaboration and
> build up more. What gets stopped across one ocean must be stopped
> across the other.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>  
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> Facultad de Química UNAM
> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>
>  
>
> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>
> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Desde:* Veni Markovski [venimarkovski at gmail.com] en nombre de Veni
> Markovski [veni at veni.com]
> *Enviado el:* martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 08:03
> *Hasta:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; Markus Kummer; Elver Loho; Evan
> Leibovitch
> *CC:* ISOC Chapter Delegates; Frédéric Donck
> *Asunto:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern
> over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft
>
> Alejandro,
> On point 1 agree completely with you, and in support - our own ISOC
> member Sergey Stanishev, who is president of the Party of European
> Socialist, issued couple of statements last year:
>
> EP Committee votes ACTA down despite EPP attempts
>
>
> and
>
> PES President calls for European Parliament vigilance on new internet
> governance regulations: “We must make sure that rules don’t allow ACTA
> by the back door” says Stanishev
>
>
> I would expect that the ISOC office in Brussels will reach out to him
> on the TPP, too. If they need help, let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On 11/19/13 08:54, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
>
> -- 
>
> Best,
> Veni Markovski
> http://www.veni.com
> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski
> https://twitter.com/veni
>
> The opinions expressed above are those of the
> author, not of any organizations, associated
> with or related to him in any given way.
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
> 19 November 2013 13:54
> Markus,
>
> quite happy with the statement but:
>
> 1. we cannot use it "as a first step in [engagement] with policy
> makers in the countries concerned" because, what do you know, it is
> not our first step; we've been interacting with thte government, the
> academic, technical and professional community, and industry, for
> quite a while, on the issue of TPP. Since we were able to get the
> Senate to block ACTA, people actually count on ISOC Mexico to provide
> a voice, some reasoning and analysis, and parts of a strategy to deal
> with TPP as well. We'd be glad to share with you when you find it fit.
>
> 2. when do you plan to release the statement in the languages of "the
> countries concerned"? We can use that far more than the
> English-language statement. We may have a translation of our own by
> this evening if any session at ICANN becomes a bit boring.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> Facultad de Química UNAM
> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>
>
>
> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>
> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
> ________________________________________
> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Markus Kummer
> [kummer at isoc.org]
> Enviado el: martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 07:01
> Hasta: Elver Loho; Evan Leibovitch
> CC: ISOC Chapter Delegates
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern
> over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft
>
> Dear Elver, all,
>
> Thanks for the support. Indeed, you are right in thinking that time was of
> essence. We wanted to issue the statement while the news was still fresh.
> As we indicate in the statement, the leaked IPR Chapter of the TPP is a
> complex document that requires some time to analyse and absorb. We are
> aware that this is not the final text and it contains all the proposals
> and counterproposals. Having said that, some of these proposals caused our
> concern, in particular those relating to intermediaries and their overall
> impact on the Internet.
>
> We of course hope that all the Chapters in the concerned countries use the
> statement as a first step in their engagement with policy makers in the
> countries concerned. In order to facilitate their engagement strategies we
> hope to be able to translate the statement into Spanish.
>
> Of course we are happy to engage in policy discussions with you all. When
> we are speaking on public policy issues, we are looking at them from a
> global perspective and how they relate to the Internet. Given the highly
> territorial nature of IPR and the apparent differences between national
> laws and approaches, we are keen to hear from you and learn how these
> issues affect your respective countries.
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
> Elver Loho 
> 19 November 2013 07:35
> In defense of ISOC HQ (I bet nobody thought I'd every say that), I can
> sort of understand how they don't consult with chapters or members
> about upcoming press releases. This is a big circle of people and a
> public mailing list, after all. Press releases tend to have more
> impact when they are timely and when they have something brand new to
> say. Both of which are harder to do when you have to consult with a
> lot of people beforehand.
>
> What I would like to see is ISOC staff, who are working on TPP,
> engaging in discussion with us about this topic on this mailing list.
> And about other things as well. We hardly ever see staff here for some
> reason.
>
> Best,
> Elver
> .ee
>
> elver.loho at gmail.com
> +372 5661 6933
> skype: elver.loho
>
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org