[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Tue Nov 19 10:04:20 PST 2013

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Carlos Vera Quintana
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> El 19/11/2013, a las 12:44, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> escribió:
> 
> Observationally the comments I'm seeing suggest that there is a strong
> sense that the Obama administration is promising one thing in public for
> instance to allow phones to be unlocked from networks but in practice
> has been drafting to make this illegal across all TTIP countries.
> Likewise it has been "sympathetic" to copyright reformers in public
> whilst it is promoting enlargement in the treaty and in a way that will
> make reform very hard in other countries but also in the US.  It is
> amusing that last week a US based judge concluded that Google Book
> scanning is legal based on fair use when the this treaty is drafted to
> remove fairuse.
> 
> There is more than a tinge of systematic political duplicity here.
> Whether it is intentional or just one hand not knowing what the other is
> doing the effect is that once again we have the US leading a secret
> negotiation where a small coterie of insiders are dictating disastrous
> policy changes on the many. 
> 
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
>> Frédéric Donck 
>> 19 November 2013 14:33
>> Alejandro
>> 
>> beaten to the punch!. Couldn’t say it better. TTIP brings already
>> *tons* of worrying questions re: transparency and key issues wrt
>> Internet. So yes, the European Bureau, in close cooperation with my
>> colleagues of Policy, is preparing our action towards MEPs and key EU
>> stakeholders.
>> 
>> Best
>> Frederic
>> 
>> 
>> Le 19 nov. 2013 à 15:28, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch  > a écrit :
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
>> 19 November 2013 14:28
>> Veni,
>> 
>> thanks. 
>> 
>> The caveat here is that Brussels may have concerns about the TPP
>> (Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement), but even more about the
>> possibly upcoming Trans-Atlantic one, which would involve European
>> countries directly.
>> 
>> One more good reason to be happy about ISOC chapter collaboration and
>> build up more. What gets stopped across one ocean must be stopped
>> across the other.
>> 
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> *Desde:* Veni Markovski [venimarkovski at gmail.com] en nombre de Veni
>> Markovski [veni at veni.com]
>> *Enviado el:* martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 08:03
>> *Hasta:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; Markus Kummer; Elver Loho; Evan
>> Leibovitch
>> *CC:* ISOC Chapter Delegates; Frédéric Donck
>> *Asunto:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern
>> over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft
>> 
>> Alejandro,
>> On point 1 agree completely with you, and in support - our own ISOC
>> member Sergey Stanishev, who is president of the Party of European
>> Socialist, issued couple of statements last year:
>> 
>> EP Committee votes ACTA down despite EPP attempts
>> 
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> PES President calls for European Parliament vigilance on new internet
>> governance regulations: “We must make sure that rules don’t allow ACTA
>> by the back door” says Stanishev
>> 
>> 
>> I would expect that the ISOC office in Brussels will reach out to him
>> on the TPP, too. If they need help, let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> On 11/19/13 08:54, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Veni Markovski
>> http://www.veni.com
>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski
>> https://twitter.com/veni
>> 
>> The opinions expressed above are those of the
>> author, not of any organizations, associated
>> with or related to him in any given way.
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>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
>> 19 November 2013 13:54
>> Markus,
>> 
>> quite happy with the statement but:
>> 
>> 1. we cannot use it "as a first step in [engagement] with policy
>> makers in the countries concerned" because, what do you know, it is
>> not our first step; we've been interacting with thte government, the
>> academic, technical and professional community, and industry, for
>> quite a while, on the issue of TPP. Since we were able to get the
>> Senate to block ACTA, people actually count on ISOC Mexico to provide
>> a voice, some reasoning and analysis, and parts of a strategy to deal
>> with TPP as well. We'd be glad to share with you when you find it fit.
>> 
>> 2. when do you plan to release the statement in the languages of "the
>> countries concerned"? We can use that far more than the
>> English-language statement. We may have a translation of our own by
>> this evening if any session at ICANN becomes a bit boring.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>> 
>> 
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Facultad de Química UNAM
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>> 
>> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Markus Kummer
>> [kummer at isoc.org]
>> Enviado el: martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 07:01
>> Hasta: Elver Loho; Evan Leibovitch
>> CC: ISOC Chapter Delegates
>> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern
>> over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft
>> 
>> Dear Elver, all,
>> 
>> Thanks for the support. Indeed, you are right in thinking that time was of
>> essence. We wanted to issue the statement while the news was still fresh.
>> As we indicate in the statement, the leaked IPR Chapter of the TPP is a
>> complex document that requires some time to analyse and absorb. We are
>> aware that this is not the final text and it contains all the proposals
>> and counterproposals. Having said that, some of these proposals caused our
>> concern, in particular those relating to intermediaries and their overall
>> impact on the Internet.
>> 
>> We of course hope that all the Chapters in the concerned countries use the
>> statement as a first step in their engagement with policy makers in the
>> countries concerned. In order to facilitate their engagement strategies we
>> hope to be able to translate the statement into Spanish.
>> 
>> Of course we are happy to engage in policy discussions with you all. When
>> we are speaking on public policy issues, we are looking at them from a
>> global perspective and how they relate to the Internet. Given the highly
>> territorial nature of IPR and the apparent differences between national
>> laws and approaches, we are keen to hear from you and learn how these
>> issues affect your respective countries.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Markus
>> 
>> 
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>> Elver Loho 
>> 19 November 2013 07:35
>> In defense of ISOC HQ (I bet nobody thought I'd every say that), I can
>> sort of understand how they don't consult with chapters or members
>> about upcoming press releases. This is a big circle of people and a
>> public mailing list, after all. Press releases tend to have more
>> impact when they are timely and when they have something brand new to
>> say. Both of which are harder to do when you have to consult with a
>> lot of people beforehand.
>> 
>> What I would like to see is ISOC staff, who are working on TPP,
>> engaging in discussion with us about this topic on this mailing list.
>> And about other things as well. We hardly ever see staff here for some
>> reason.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Elver
>> .ee
>> 
>> elver.loho at gmail.com
>> +372 5661 6933
>> skype: elver.loho
>> 
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