[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Tue Nov 19 06:33:41 PST 2013

Alejandro

beaten to the punch!. Couldn’t say it better. TTIP brings already *tons* of worrying questions re: transparency and key issues wrt Internet. So yes, the European Bureau, in close cooperation with my colleagues of Policy, is preparing our action towards MEPs and key EU stakeholders.

Best
Frederic

Le 19 nov. 2013 à 15:28, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx<mailto:apisan at unam.mx>> a écrit :

Veni,

thanks.

The caveat here is that Brussels may have concerns about the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement), but even more about the possibly upcoming Trans-Atlantic one, which would involve European countries directly.

One more good reason to be happy about ISOC chapter collaboration and build up more. What gets stopped across one ocean must be stopped across the other.

Alejandro Pisanty

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Enviado el: martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 08:03
Hasta: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; Markus Kummer; Elver Loho; Evan Leibovitch
CC: ISOC Chapter Delegates; Frédéric Donck
Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Alejandro,
On point 1 agree completely with you, and in support - our own ISOC member Sergey Stanishev, who is president of the Party of European Socialist, issued couple of statements last year:

EP Committee votes ACTA down despite EPP attempts <http://www.pes.eu/en/news/ep-committee-votes-acta-down-despite-epp-attempts>

and

PES President calls for European Parliament vigilance on new internet governance regulations: “We must make sure that rules don’t allow ACTA by the back door” says Stanishev<http://www.pes.eu/en/news/pes-president-calls-european-parliament-vigilance-new-internet-governance-regulations-we-must-m>

I would expect that the ISOC office in Brussels will reach out to him on the TPP, too. If they need help, let me know.

Thanks!

On 11/19/13 08:54, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:

Markus,

quite happy with the statement but:

1. we cannot use it "as a first step in [engagement] with policy makers in the countries concerned" because, what do you know, it is not our first step; we've been interacting with thte government, the academic, technical and professional community, and industry, for quite a while, on the issue of TPP. Since we were able to get the Senate to block ACTA, people actually count on ISOC Mexico to provide a voice, some reasoning and analysis, and parts of a strategy to deal with TPP as well. We'd be glad to share with you when you find it fit.

2. when do you plan to release the statement in the languages of "the countries concerned"? We can use that far more than the English-language statement. We may have a translation of our own by this evening if any session at ICANN becomes a bit boring.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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Enviado el: martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 07:01
Hasta: Elver Loho; Evan Leibovitch
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Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Dear Elver, all,

Thanks for the support. Indeed, you are right in thinking that time was of
essence. We wanted to issue the statement while the news was still fresh.
As we indicate in the statement, the leaked IPR Chapter of the TPP is a
complex document that requires some time to analyse and absorb. We are
aware that this is not the final text and it contains all the proposals
and counterproposals. Having said that, some of these proposals caused our
concern, in particular those relating to intermediaries and their overall
impact on the Internet.

We of course hope that all the Chapters in the concerned countries use the
statement as a first step in their engagement with policy makers in the
countries concerned. In order to facilitate their engagement strategies we
hope to be able to translate the statement into Spanish.

Of course we are happy to engage in policy discussions with you all. When
we are speaking on public policy issues, we are looking at them from a
global perspective and how they relate to the Internet. Given the highly
territorial nature of IPR and the apparent differences between national
laws and approaches, we are keen to hear from you and learn how these
issues affect your respective countries.

Best regards
Markus

On 11/19/13 8:35 AM, "Elver Loho" <elver.loho at gmail.com><mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com> wrote:

In defense of ISOC HQ (I bet nobody thought I'd every say that), I can
sort of understand how they don't consult with chapters or members
about upcoming press releases. This is a big circle of people and a
public mailing list, after all. Press releases tend to have more
impact when they are timely and when they have something brand new to
say. Both of which are harder to do when you have to consult with a
lot of people beforehand.

What I would like to see is ISOC staff, who are working on TPP,
engaging in discussion with us about this topic on this mailing list.
And about other things as well. We hardly ever see staff here for some
reason.

Best,
Elver
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org><mailto:evan at telly.org> wrote:

Of course, there is more to the Internet references in the TPP and it's
a
shame that the ISOC analysis was not more complete.

There also is end-user-POSITIVE text in the leaked TPP, specifically in
the
proposed requirement that member states' country code top level domains
(ccTLDs)  rules more closely follow the same standards as ICANN sets for
generic TLDs.

There are other clauses that, to me, are not only unobjectionable but in
fact might be welcomed.
(https://wikileaks.org/tpp/#QQC12)

One of ICANN's dirty little secrets is that generic TLDs have a
completely
different regulatory framework from ccTLDs, even though many cc's are
marketed as generics (.tv .co .me etc). Creating an equitable playing
field
in this regard at very least reduces end user confusion, but also
potentially offers more true and fair competition between TLDs.

- Evan

PS: I'm obviously new to this game, but is it customary for ISOC HQ to
make
press releases on global policy positions before alerting - let alone
consulting - chapters?

If chapters are expected to support / advance / defend such statements
at
the national or local level, getting advance buy-in would seem only
reasonable. At least, enable an advance briefing with ISOC policy
developers
so that chapter advocates are not caught off-guard should local media or
policy makers take an interest.

I'm also not saying that the TPP, or the process which created it, are
on
the balance Good Things. Just that it is just as important to encourage
the
good parts as to reject the bad.

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