[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

CW Mail mail at christopherwilkinson.eu
Sun Nov 17 22:44:56 PST 2013 

Good morning:

I suggest that the Chapters give no further consideration to this matter until it has been thoroughly discussed by the Chapters Advisory Council (in formation).

> They were developed …  by a seven member panel ...

I explained to Anne Lord, among others, at the time that this would not fly in its present form.

Regards

CW


On 17 Nov 2013, at 22:02, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:

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> Dear Ted,
> first of all - ISOC is very important organization for the Internet,
> it keeps the spirit of first days of the Internet. I am proud to be a
> member of ISOC from 1996. I beleve, that at that time there was no any
> Chapter.
> 
> But:
> 
> First of all - why any  Chapter today  need to follow any performance
> standards, developed by 5 Chapter leaders and two staff members long
> time ago?
> 
> I do not see any reason for any Chapter to follow any requirement,
> developed by foreign organization (ISOC US).
> 
> If they are subsidiaries - it's ok, they must have any document
> (agreement)  with their rights and obligations, including performance
> standards obligations.
> 
> But I read from your explanations, that Chapters  are independent NGOs.
> So, if it is an independent NGO, this NGO can act according its
> bylaws, without any performance standards. Can say more - even minimal
> performance standards, imposed by other organization, looks not
> logical and are unacceptable in general.
> 
> I think main problem is here- once more -  who are Chapters? Are they
> independent NGOs?
> 
> I think the clear answer on this question will provide healthy
> relations inisde ISOC as a global community.
> 
> 
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
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> On 18.11.2013 0:35, Ted Mooney wrote:
>> Veni, the minimum performance standards are referenced in the by
>> laws but as they are subject to operational updates and changes
>> were not codified within the by-laws one by one. They were
>> developed prior to my arrival at ISOC by a seven member panel
>> consisting of five chapter leaders and two ISOC staff (Anne Lord
>> was one of them). These were then circulated for additional comment
>> and review before appearing in the letter of affiliation.
>> 
>> While I was not personally involved at all in their development, I 
>> support the MPS and believe they are truly that, minimal. Since
>> they were developed by chapter leaders and presented to chapters
>> for review and comment, it seems to me that operationally, a good
>> process was followed.
>> 
>> Happy to discuss further going forward
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:17 PM, "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com 
>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ted, Joyce, would you, please, point me to the adequate Board 
>>> resolution, agreeing the text that you sent to the chapters? I
>>> tried to find it, but was not successful. I have also written in
>>> my original email (see below Elver's comments) that I would like
>>> to hear more on some of the items and requirements, as they are
>>> not seen in the by-laws, and I don't believe we have received an
>>> answer who created them, were they approved by the Board, and if
>>> so, why are they not in the by-laws.
>>> 
>>> best, veni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/13/13 06:49, Elver Loho wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> We received the same letter at the Estonian chapter and I
>>>> quickly filed it under "things to get angry about later",
>>>> because I had work to do.
>>>> 
>>>> My reaction may have been colored by the fact that during the
>>>> last recent stink on this list, I sent a letter to Frederic on
>>>> October 1st proposing a very concrete plan to start a
>>>> pan-European policy cooperation working group to strenghten
>>>> ISOC's presence in Europe and to get European chapters involved
>>>> in actual policy work. And thus far he has failed to reply.
>>>> 
>>>> We really need to come back to the core questions, otherwise
>>>> we'll never get these things sorted out.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. What is the role of chapters in ISOC? 2. What is the single
>>>> most important thing that ISOC expects chapters to do on a
>>>> day-to-day basis? 3. How does ISOC expect chapters to finance
>>>> this activity?
>>>> 
>>>> I may be a bit cynical here, but it seems to me that the role
>>>> of chapters is to show that ISOC has widespread support around
>>>> the globe, so as to get funding from PIR. And that ISOC does
>>>> not expect chapters to do anything, except get more members.
>>>> And that chapters should operate on an entirely voluntary
>>>> basis, acquiring new disciples, new names on a list.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, when we joined ISOC, I was expecting at least some
>>>> sort of policy coordination and joint lobbying effort. I was
>>>> expecting that chapters would get access to experts in
>>>> international law, so that we could lobby better and ask
>>>> questions about upcoming treaties. I was expecting that we
>>>> would get access to a whole knowledge base and a network of
>>>> people to help us coordinate global policy. I was expecting to
>>>> get involved. To participate.
>>>> 
>>>> Thus far I've been disappointed beyond belief.
>>>> 
>>>> Best, Elver .ee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> elver.loho at gmail.com <mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com> +372 5661
>>>> 6933 skype: elver.loho
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 13 October 2013 12:44, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com 
>>>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, guys. I guess you have received similar letters?
>>>> 
>>>> I already emailed Joyce that there are some issues with the 
>>>> requirements, mainly in the responsibility of the chapters ;-) 
>>>> Seems like ISOC is not concerned too much about the EU
>>>> personal data protection, or the fact that may be in some
>>>> chapters you cannot be a member of the global ISOC, or that in
>>>> some cases the elections of the Board may not take place every
>>>> year, or every two years; or that the number of terms may not
>>>> be limited; or that filing updates with ISOC may mean extra
>>>> weight on the chapters to produce the documents from the
>>>> General Assembly in English; or that sharing information with
>>>> the ISOC staff may not be appropriate; or that promoting ISOC
>>>> strategic positions could be considered very inappropriate
>>>> (what? considering the position of a US-based non-profit???).
>>>> 
>>>> Further than that, they are telling us that if do not meet
>>>> "one or more" of the "minimum standards", a process of
>>>> "rejuvenation" will be initiated.
>>>> 
>>>> Somehow I miss all these in the ISOC by-laws, but may be
>>>> someone can enlightern us?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks, and have a great Sunday!
>>>> 
>>>> v.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 	Renewal Internet
>>>> Society Chapter Charter Date: 	Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:42:56 +0000 
>>>> From: 	Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org>
>>>> <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> To: 	albena.arnaudova at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>
>>>> <albena.arnaudova at gmail.com> 
>>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>, mitko at mitko.com 
>>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com> <mitko at mitko.com> 
>>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com>, dgreve at isoc.bg
>>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg> <dgreve at isoc.bg>
>>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg>, veni at veni.com <mailto:veni at veni.com>
>>>> <veni at veni.com> <mailto:veni at veni.com>, julia at isoc.bg
>>>> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg> <julia at isoc.bg> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Chapter Chair,
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Chapter Officers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As previously announced and in accordance with article IV of
>>>> the updated Bylaws of the Internet Society on 22 July 2013, I
>>>> am pleased to send you the updated Chapter Charter letter for
>>>> your Chapter, including the chapter minimum standards as well
>>>> as the outline of the support to be expected from the Internet
>>>> Society.
>>>> 
>>>> This letter reconfirms that the Chapter is chartered and
>>>> approved as a Chapter of the Internet Society.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> These mutual standards were developed in collaboration and 
>>>> consultation with the Chapters over the past couple of years 
>>>> prior to the Internet Society Board of Trustees review.  Their 
>>>> implementation was placed on hold until passage of the updated 
>>>> By-laws so that we could be certain that they were conform
>>>> with the amended and restated By-laws. The performance
>>>> standards herein reflect both the letter and the spirit of the
>>>> updated By-laws.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would kindly ask you to sign the Renewal Chapter Charter
>>>> letter and return it to chapter-support at isoc.org 
>>>> <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org> before the 15th of December
>>>> 2013.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Additionally, in accordance with Article VIII, Organisational
>>>> Members and Chapters shall each have the right to form an
>>>> Advisory body for the purpose of providing information and
>>>> advice to the Board of Trustees and the President of the
>>>> Internet Society on matters of strategic importance to that
>>>> community.
>>>> 
>>>> As kindly requested by a number of Chapter Officers you will
>>>> receive an invitation next week to join an initial working 
>>>> group that will look at the creation and governance of the 
>>>> Chapter Advisory body.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Should you wish to review the full revised By-laws :
>>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/governance-and-policies/amended-and-restated-laws-internet-society
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me or any member of the
>>>> Chapter Development Team for any further information.
>>>> 
>>>> Naveed Haq (Chapter Development Manager Asia-Pacific) and
>>>> myself will be at the IGF in Bali as well, and have set up a
>>>> calendar at http://doodle.com/6iwta8yep3kkrrpf should you wish
>>>> to meet there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to thank you for your continuous support and passion
>>>> to advance the Internet Society's mission in your region.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> 
>>>> Joyce
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Joyce Dogniez, CMM Director of Chapters Internet Society
>>>> 
>>>> dogniez at isoc.org <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> tel: +352 621 266
>>>> 189 <tel:%2B352%20621%20266%20189> Skype: joycedogniez
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski 
>>>> https://twitter.com/veni
>>>> 
>>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of
>>>> any organizations, associated with or related to him in any
>>>> given way.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski https://twitter.com/veni
>>> 
>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of any
>>> organizations, associated with or related to him in any given
>>> way.
>> 
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