[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

sc.leung at isoc.hk sc.leung at isoc.hk
Sun Nov 17 23:09:57 PST 2013 

I agree that if this matter can be brought to the CAC, it will be more
productive.

Regards,
SC Leung
ISOC Hong Kong
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於 18/11/2013 14:44, CW Mail 提到:
> Good morning:
>
> I suggest that the Chapters give no further consideration to this
matter until it has been thoroughly discussed by the Chapters Advisory
Council (in formation).
>
>> They were developed …  by a seven member panel ...
>
> I explained to Anne Lord, among others, at the time that this would
not fly in its present form.
>
> Regards
>
> CW
>
>
> On 17 Nov 2013, at 22:02, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Ted,
> first of all - ISOC is very important organization for the Internet,
> it keeps the spirit of first days of the Internet. I am proud to be a
> member of ISOC from 1996. I beleve, that at that time there was no any
> Chapter.
>
> But:
>
> First of all - why any  Chapter today  need to follow any performance
> standards, developed by 5 Chapter leaders and two staff members long
> time ago?
>
> I do not see any reason for any Chapter to follow any requirement,
> developed by foreign organization (ISOC US).
>
> If they are subsidiaries - it's ok, they must have any document
> (agreement)  with their rights and obligations, including performance
> standards obligations.
>
> But I read from your explanations, that Chapters  are independent NGOs.
> So, if it is an independent NGO, this NGO can act according its
> bylaws, without any performance standards. Can say more - even minimal
> performance standards, imposed by other organization, looks not
> logical and are unacceptable in general.
>
> I think main problem is here- once more -  who are Chapters? Are they
> independent NGOs?
>
> I think the clear answer on this question will provide healthy
> relations inisde ISOC as a global community.
>
>
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18.11.2013 0:35, Ted Mooney wrote:
> >>> Veni, the minimum performance standards are referenced in the by
> >>> laws but as they are subject to operational updates and changes
> >>> were not codified within the by-laws one by one. They were
> >>> developed prior to my arrival at ISOC by a seven member panel
> >>> consisting of five chapter leaders and two ISOC staff (Anne Lord
> >>> was one of them). These were then circulated for additional comment
> >>> and review before appearing in the letter of affiliation.
> >>>
> >>> While I was not personally involved at all in their development, I
> >>> support the MPS and believe they are truly that, minimal. Since
> >>> they were developed by chapter leaders and presented to chapters
> >>> for review and comment, it seems to me that operationally, a good
> >>> process was followed.
> >>>
> >>> Happy to discuss further going forward
> >>>
> >>> Ted
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:17 PM, "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com
> >>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ted, Joyce, would you, please, point me to the adequate Board
> >>>> resolution, agreeing the text that you sent to the chapters? I
> >>>> tried to find it, but was not successful. I have also written in
> >>>> my original email (see below Elver's comments) that I would like
> >>>> to hear more on some of the items and requirements, as they are
> >>>> not seen in the by-laws, and I don't believe we have received an
> >>>> answer who created them, were they approved by the Board, and if
> >>>> so, why are they not in the by-laws.
> >>>>
> >>>> best, veni
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/13/13 06:49, Elver Loho wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We received the same letter at the Estonian chapter and I
> >>>>> quickly filed it under "things to get angry about later",
> >>>>> because I had work to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My reaction may have been colored by the fact that during the
> >>>>> last recent stink on this list, I sent a letter to Frederic on
> >>>>> October 1st proposing a very concrete plan to start a
> >>>>> pan-European policy cooperation working group to strenghten
> >>>>> ISOC's presence in Europe and to get European chapters involved
> >>>>> in actual policy work. And thus far he has failed to reply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We really need to come back to the core questions, otherwise
> >>>>> we'll never get these things sorted out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. What is the role of chapters in ISOC? 2. What is the single
> >>>>> most important thing that ISOC expects chapters to do on a
> >>>>> day-to-day basis? 3. How does ISOC expect chapters to finance
> >>>>> this activity?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I may be a bit cynical here, but it seems to me that the role
> >>>>> of chapters is to show that ISOC has widespread support around
> >>>>> the globe, so as to get funding from PIR. And that ISOC does
> >>>>> not expect chapters to do anything, except get more members.
> >>>>> And that chapters should operate on an entirely voluntary
> >>>>> basis, acquiring new disciples, new names on a list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally, when we joined ISOC, I was expecting at least some
> >>>>> sort of policy coordination and joint lobbying effort. I was
> >>>>> expecting that chapters would get access to experts in
> >>>>> international law, so that we could lobby better and ask
> >>>>> questions about upcoming treaties. I was expecting that we
> >>>>> would get access to a whole knowledge base and a network of
> >>>>> people to help us coordinate global policy. I was expecting to
> >>>>> get involved. To participate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thus far I've been disappointed beyond belief.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best, Elver .ee
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> elver.loho at gmail.com <mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com> +372 5661
> >>>>> 6933 skype: elver.loho
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 13 October 2013 12:44, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com
> >>>>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi, guys. I guess you have received similar letters?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I already emailed Joyce that there are some issues with the
> >>>>> requirements, mainly in the responsibility of the chapters ;-)
> >>>>> Seems like ISOC is not concerned too much about the EU
> >>>>> personal data protection, or the fact that may be in some
> >>>>> chapters you cannot be a member of the global ISOC, or that in
> >>>>> some cases the elections of the Board may not take place every
> >>>>> year, or every two years; or that the number of terms may not
> >>>>> be limited; or that filing updates with ISOC may mean extra
> >>>>> weight on the chapters to produce the documents from the
> >>>>> General Assembly in English; or that sharing information with
> >>>>> the ISOC staff may not be appropriate; or that promoting ISOC
> >>>>> strategic positions could be considered very inappropriate
> >>>>> (what? considering the position of a US-based non-profit???).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further than that, they are telling us that if do not meet
> >>>>> "one or more" of the "minimum standards", a process of
> >>>>> "rejuvenation" will be initiated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Somehow I miss all these in the ISOC by-laws, but may be
> >>>>> someone can enlightern us?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks, and have a great Sunday!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> v.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject:     Renewal Internet
> >>>>> Society Chapter Charter Date:     Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:42:56 +0000
> >>>>> From:     Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org>
> >>>>> <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> To:     albena.arnaudova at gmail.com
> >>>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>
> >>>>> <albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>, mitko at mitko.com
> >>>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com> <mitko at mitko.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com>, dgreve at isoc.bg
> >>>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg> <dgreve at isoc.bg>
> >>>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg>, veni at veni.com <mailto:veni at veni.com>
> >>>>> <veni at veni.com> <mailto:veni at veni.com>, julia at isoc.bg
> >>>>> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg> <julia at isoc.bg> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Chapter Chair,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Chapter Officers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As previously announced and in accordance with article IV of
> >>>>> the updated Bylaws of the Internet Society on 22 July 2013, I
> >>>>> am pleased to send you the updated Chapter Charter letter for
> >>>>> your Chapter, including the chapter minimum standards as well
> >>>>> as the outline of the support to be expected from the Internet
> >>>>> Society.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This letter reconfirms that the Chapter is chartered and
> >>>>> approved as a Chapter of the Internet Society.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These mutual standards were developed in collaboration and
> >>>>> consultation with the Chapters over the past couple of years
> >>>>> prior to the Internet Society Board of Trustees review.  Their
> >>>>> implementation was placed on hold until passage of the updated
> >>>>> By-laws so that we could be certain that they were conform
> >>>>> with the amended and restated By-laws. The performance
> >>>>> standards herein reflect both the letter and the spirit of the
> >>>>> updated By-laws.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would kindly ask you to sign the Renewal Chapter Charter
> >>>>> letter and return it to chapter-support at isoc.org
> >>>>> <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org> before the 15th of December
> >>>>> 2013.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Additionally, in accordance with Article VIII, Organisational
> >>>>> Members and Chapters shall each have the right to form an
> >>>>> Advisory body for the purpose of providing information and
> >>>>> advice to the Board of Trustees and the President of the
> >>>>> Internet Society on matters of strategic importance to that
> >>>>> community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As kindly requested by a number of Chapter Officers you will
> >>>>> receive an invitation next week to join an initial working
> >>>>> group that will look at the creation and governance of the
> >>>>> Chapter Advisory body.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Should you wish to review the full revised By-laws :
> >>>>>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/governance-and-policies/amended-and-restated-laws-internet-society
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me or any member of the
> >>>>> Chapter Development Team for any further information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Naveed Haq (Chapter Development Manager Asia-Pacific) and
> >>>>> myself will be at the IGF in Bali as well, and have set up a
> >>>>> calendar at http://doodle.com/6iwta8yep3kkrrpf should you wish
> >>>>> to meet there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to thank you for your continuous support and passion
> >>>>> to advance the Internet Society's mission in your region.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joyce
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Joyce Dogniez, CMM Director of Chapters Internet Society
> >>>>>
> >>>>> dogniez at isoc.org <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> tel: +352 621 266
> >>>>> 189 <tel:%2B352%20621%20266%20189> Skype: joycedogniez
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com
> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski
> >>>>> https://twitter.com/veni
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of
> >>>>> any organizations, associated with or related to him in any
> >>>>> given way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet
> >>>>> Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com
> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski https://twitter.com/veni
> >>>>
> >>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of any
> >>>> organizations, associated with or related to him in any given
> >>>> way.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet
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> >>> list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
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> >>>
>
>
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