[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter
Grigori Saghyan
gregor at arminco.com
Sun Nov 17 13:02:30 PST 2013
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Dear Ted,
first of all - ISOC is very important organization for the Internet,
it keeps the spirit of first days of the Internet. I am proud to be a
member of ISOC from 1996. I beleve, that at that time there was no any
Chapter.
But:
First of all - why any Chapter today need to follow any performance
standards, developed by 5 Chapter leaders and two staff members long
time ago?
I do not see any reason for any Chapter to follow any requirement,
developed by foreign organization (ISOC US).
If they are subsidiaries - it's ok, they must have any document
(agreement) with their rights and obligations, including performance
standards obligations.
But I read from your explanations, that Chapters are independent NGOs.
So, if it is an independent NGO, this NGO can act according its
bylaws, without any performance standards. Can say more - even minimal
performance standards, imposed by other organization, looks not
logical and are unacceptable in general.
I think main problem is here- once more - who are Chapters? Are they
independent NGOs?
I think the clear answer on this question will provide healthy
relations inisde ISOC as a global community.
Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM
On 18.11.2013 0:35, Ted Mooney wrote:
> Veni, the minimum performance standards are referenced in the by
> laws but as they are subject to operational updates and changes
> were not codified within the by-laws one by one. They were
> developed prior to my arrival at ISOC by a seven member panel
> consisting of five chapter leaders and two ISOC staff (Anne Lord
> was one of them). These were then circulated for additional comment
> and review before appearing in the letter of affiliation.
>
> While I was not personally involved at all in their development, I
> support the MPS and believe they are truly that, minimal. Since
> they were developed by chapter leaders and presented to chapters
> for review and comment, it seems to me that operationally, a good
> process was followed.
>
> Happy to discuss further going forward
>
> Ted
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:17 PM, "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com
> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
>
>> Ted, Joyce, would you, please, point me to the adequate Board
>> resolution, agreeing the text that you sent to the chapters? I
>> tried to find it, but was not successful. I have also written in
>> my original email (see below Elver's comments) that I would like
>> to hear more on some of the items and requirements, as they are
>> not seen in the by-laws, and I don't believe we have received an
>> answer who created them, were they approved by the Board, and if
>> so, why are they not in the by-laws.
>>
>> best, veni
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/13 06:49, Elver Loho wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We received the same letter at the Estonian chapter and I
>>> quickly filed it under "things to get angry about later",
>>> because I had work to do.
>>>
>>> My reaction may have been colored by the fact that during the
>>> last recent stink on this list, I sent a letter to Frederic on
>>> October 1st proposing a very concrete plan to start a
>>> pan-European policy cooperation working group to strenghten
>>> ISOC's presence in Europe and to get European chapters involved
>>> in actual policy work. And thus far he has failed to reply.
>>>
>>> We really need to come back to the core questions, otherwise
>>> we'll never get these things sorted out.
>>>
>>> 1. What is the role of chapters in ISOC? 2. What is the single
>>> most important thing that ISOC expects chapters to do on a
>>> day-to-day basis? 3. How does ISOC expect chapters to finance
>>> this activity?
>>>
>>> I may be a bit cynical here, but it seems to me that the role
>>> of chapters is to show that ISOC has widespread support around
>>> the globe, so as to get funding from PIR. And that ISOC does
>>> not expect chapters to do anything, except get more members.
>>> And that chapters should operate on an entirely voluntary
>>> basis, acquiring new disciples, new names on a list.
>>>
>>> Personally, when we joined ISOC, I was expecting at least some
>>> sort of policy coordination and joint lobbying effort. I was
>>> expecting that chapters would get access to experts in
>>> international law, so that we could lobby better and ask
>>> questions about upcoming treaties. I was expecting that we
>>> would get access to a whole knowledge base and a network of
>>> people to help us coordinate global policy. I was expecting to
>>> get involved. To participate.
>>>
>>> Thus far I've been disappointed beyond belief.
>>>
>>> Best, Elver .ee
>>>
>>>
>>> elver.loho at gmail.com <mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com> +372 5661
>>> 6933 skype: elver.loho
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 October 2013 12:44, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com
>>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, guys. I guess you have received similar letters?
>>>
>>> I already emailed Joyce that there are some issues with the
>>> requirements, mainly in the responsibility of the chapters ;-)
>>> Seems like ISOC is not concerned too much about the EU
>>> personal data protection, or the fact that may be in some
>>> chapters you cannot be a member of the global ISOC, or that in
>>> some cases the elections of the Board may not take place every
>>> year, or every two years; or that the number of terms may not
>>> be limited; or that filing updates with ISOC may mean extra
>>> weight on the chapters to produce the documents from the
>>> General Assembly in English; or that sharing information with
>>> the ISOC staff may not be appropriate; or that promoting ISOC
>>> strategic positions could be considered very inappropriate
>>> (what? considering the position of a US-based non-profit???).
>>>
>>> Further than that, they are telling us that if do not meet
>>> "one or more" of the "minimum standards", a process of
>>> "rejuvenation" will be initiated.
>>>
>>> Somehow I miss all these in the ISOC by-laws, but may be
>>> someone can enlightern us?
>>>
>>> thanks, and have a great Sunday!
>>>
>>> v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Renewal Internet
>>> Society Chapter Charter Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:42:56 +0000
>>> From: Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org>
>>> <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> To: albena.arnaudova at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>
>>> <albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:albena.arnaudova at gmail.com>, mitko at mitko.com
>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com> <mitko at mitko.com>
>>> <mailto:mitko at mitko.com>, dgreve at isoc.bg
>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg> <dgreve at isoc.bg>
>>> <mailto:dgreve at isoc.bg>, veni at veni.com <mailto:veni at veni.com>
>>> <veni at veni.com> <mailto:veni at veni.com>, julia at isoc.bg
>>> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg> <julia at isoc.bg> <mailto:julia at isoc.bg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Chapter Chair,
>>>
>>> Dear Chapter Officers,
>>>
>>>
>>> As previously announced and in accordance with article IV of
>>> the updated Bylaws of the Internet Society on 22 July 2013, I
>>> am pleased to send you the updated Chapter Charter letter for
>>> your Chapter, including the chapter minimum standards as well
>>> as the outline of the support to be expected from the Internet
>>> Society.
>>>
>>> This letter reconfirms that the Chapter is chartered and
>>> approved as a Chapter of the Internet Society.
>>>
>>>
>>> These mutual standards were developed in collaboration and
>>> consultation with the Chapters over the past couple of years
>>> prior to the Internet Society Board of Trustees review. Their
>>> implementation was placed on hold until passage of the updated
>>> By-laws so that we could be certain that they were conform
>>> with the amended and restated By-laws. The performance
>>> standards herein reflect both the letter and the spirit of the
>>> updated By-laws.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would kindly ask you to sign the Renewal Chapter Charter
>>> letter and return it to chapter-support at isoc.org
>>> <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org> before the 15th of December
>>> 2013.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, in accordance with Article VIII, Organisational
>>> Members and Chapters shall each have the right to form an
>>> Advisory body for the purpose of providing information and
>>> advice to the Board of Trustees and the President of the
>>> Internet Society on matters of strategic importance to that
>>> community.
>>>
>>> As kindly requested by a number of Chapter Officers you will
>>> receive an invitation next week to join an initial working
>>> group that will look at the creation and governance of the
>>> Chapter Advisory body.
>>>
>>>
>>> Should you wish to review the full revised By-laws :
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/governance-and-policies/amended-and-restated-laws-internet-society
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me or any member of the
>>> Chapter Development Team for any further information.
>>>
>>> Naveed Haq (Chapter Development Manager Asia-Pacific) and
>>> myself will be at the IGF in Bali as well, and have set up a
>>> calendar at http://doodle.com/6iwta8yep3kkrrpf should you wish
>>> to meet there.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to thank you for your continuous support and passion
>>> to advance the Internet Society's mission in your region.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Joyce Dogniez, CMM Director of Chapters Internet Society
>>>
>>> dogniez at isoc.org <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org> tel: +352 621 266
>>> 189 <tel:%2B352%20621%20266%20189> Skype: joycedogniez
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com
>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski
>>> https://twitter.com/veni
>>>
>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of
>>> any organizations, associated with or related to him in any
>>> given way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com
>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski https://twitter.com/veni
>>
>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of any
>> organizations, associated with or related to him in any given
>> way.
>
>
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Grigori Saghyan
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