[Chapter-delegates] Update on By-Laws revision
Christian de Larrinaga
cdel at firsthand.net
Tue Jul 9 03:33:49 PDT 2013
This analysis depends on what is meant by the word "member".
I'll have to re read the ByLaws Draft (BLD) to be sure but I don't think
individuals are classed in the BLD at all. So any form to sign up
individuals on ISOC website is purely operational and the management of
the data again is operational and so not a governance issue. It might
have downstream implications as one element to be considered by a judge
in deciding if a chapter or IETF is a subsidiary or agency of ISOC in
the USA. So it might be helpful for the BLD to make it clear in how
constituencies operate that this is not the case.
On that note I would still welcome some feedback on the questions I
posed a few weeks ago.
best
Christian
Charles Oloo wrote:
> Dear Ted.
>
> I beg ro disagree with Christopher Wilkinson on that Chapters are
> constituted only by pre-existing individual members, is historically
> incorrect and politically inept. that a central AMS is no longer
> sustainable.
>
> If these constructs are irrelevant in his scenario, it may not apply in
> others. ISOC is composed of diversity of membership having unique
> attributes. While some are stable, others are still in formative stages
> as well as undergoing structural constructions based on group membership
> dynamics. If such revisions are to be done, then opinion need to be
> sought across the board, lest it leaves others in a disadvantaged situation.
>
> Charles Oloo
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu
> <mailto:mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote:
>
> Dear Ted Mooney:
>
> Thankyou for the three documents that have been distributed
> regarding the recommendations of the Bylaws working group.
> Recognising that there are some improvements proposed with respect
> to Chapters, may I limit my comments to the need for additional changes:
>
> 1.
>
> *Chapter Membership:* Comparing Articles III and IV, it becomes
> clear that ISOC still does not accept Chapters as Members of the
> Internet Society. The rights of Organisational Members and
> Chapters are still not symmetrical; e.g. there is no procedure
> for withdrawing 'chartering' of an organisational member.
>
> The construct whereby Individual Members are members but without
> voting rights, whereas Chapters are NOT members, but do have
> voting rights, is bizarre to say the least.
>
> Chapters have to be recognised as full members of the Internet
> Society.
>
> 2.
>
> *Constitution of Chapters: *As has already been pointed out, the
> construct that Chapters are constituted only by pre-existing
> individual members is historically incorrect and currently
> politically inept.
>
> Furthermore, in present circumstances, the ISOC concept that
> individual members have to be registered in a central AMS
> database is no longer sustainable. The primary database for
> individual members will have to become the membership data of
> their respective Chapters, in their jurisdictions.
>
> ISOC Reston would then have - the more manageable – option of
> maintaining a database of those individual members not
> affiliated to a Chapter.
>
> 3.
>
> *Composition of the Board of Trustees: *The proposed balance
> between the technical and business community on the one hand and
> the user community on the other hand, is not yet appropriate. I
> have proposed before, and maintain again, that a 50:50
> relationship between Chapters and IETF+Organisational Members is
> necessary for the international credibility of the Internet Society.
>
> In all other respects, may I thank the delegates to the Working
> Group, the work of the previous Board Bylaws Committee and the ISOC
> staff for their time, patience and expertise in this matter during
> recent years.
>
> Regards
>
> Christopher Wilkinson
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2013, at 14:19, Ted Mooney <mooney at isoc.org
> <mailto:mooney at isoc.org>> wrote:
>
>> To Individual members, Chapter Delegates and Advisory Council members,
>>
>> After consideration of the legal and strategic requirements of
>> the Internet Society and serious analysis of the views offered by
>> its members and Chapters, the Board of Trustees (BoT) has asked
>> the By-Laws Working Group to share the Board’s recommended
>> revisions with the community for a final review. The purpose of
>> this review is to ensure that these changes are clear and
>> understood before the Board votes on their adoption rather than to
>> entertain at this time additional substantive changes. These
>> recommendations include a number of important updates. Some
>> notable ones are:____
>> ____
>> • Board composition____
>> • Acknowledgement of Chapters, their voting and other
>> rights and responsibilities,____
>> • The ability of both Organization Members and
>> Chapters to form advisory groups____
>> • The establishment of a process for Chapters to
>> review and appeal de-chartering decisions____
>> • Conformance with the laws governing its
>> incorporation____
>> ____
>> We invite you to review the attached documents. The BLWG has
>> prepared two documents for ease of review, one which shows the
>> full text and where there are revisions; the other is a call-out
>> of key issues raised by the ISOC community. These documents will
>> be presented to the Trustees on July 8, 2013 for the Board’s
>> review and for iproposed adoption of the revised By-Laws at the
>> July 22 meeting of the Board of Trustees.____
>> ____
>> The attached final recommendations are the product of nearly two
>> years of community consultations and careful consideration and
>> debate by the Trustees. The period for substantive comment closed
>> in January of this year and all comments were thoroughly reviewed
>> by the Board . In this final community review, the BLWG is open to
>> comments only regarding clarity of meaning and language. We will
>> reflect key the views on clarification /received by Wednesday,
>> July 3/ in our July 8 report to the BoT.____
>> The By-laws Working Group gratefully acknowledges the thoughtful
>> consideration and willingness to engage from the Organization
>> Members, Chapters and Individual Members. ____
>> The Board of Trustees has taken community suggestions very
>> seriously and Trustees have on many occasions expressed their
>> appreciation for the valuable input they have received from ISOC
>> Chapters and members.____
>> Once again, thank for taking time to review these documents for
>> clarity.____
>> ____
>> With best regards,____
>> ____
>> The By-laws Working Group
>> <Annotated By Laws Final June 2013 [1].pdf><By-Law Final Updates -
>> June 2013 clean.pdf>_______________________________________________
>>
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