[Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

Thu Sep 20 07:52:11 PDT 2012

I respect Garrett's opinion.  Respect is a commodity which is not given to
everybody.

Question:  What do you do with a racing horse which has started behaving
atypical and is a menace to the people around it?

Nawab

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[mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of G. S.
McNamara
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Faisal Hasan
Cc: Ian Peter; Chaitanya Dhareshwar; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Chapter
Delegates
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue with
the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the Internet or
removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid viewing the content
themselves, instead of asking that it be removed for the whole world. 

Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However, if
people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their control. 

I am only speaking for myself.

Garrett McNamara

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <hasansf at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I have been closely following the conversations thats going on about this
topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following this discussion. I
completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also, thanks to Ian Peter for the
article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines a possible solution.

As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of humanity,
global Internet Society and IGC can come together and play our roles. We can
definitely provide a join statement about the issue and we can start a
working group who will work together to devise a possible solution. Let us
put forward our names (or chapters) who wants to work together.

Thanks
Faisal

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu interesting in that
it outlines some of the current Google/You Tube principles and suggests
improvements based on a Wikipedia style model

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube
-should-police-hate-speech#
<http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtub
e-should-police-hate-speech> 

Ian Peter

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From: Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
<chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530
To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Cc: Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

I think we all agree

1. Freedom of speech is important
2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the
sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done
to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other
measures could be used? - as Riaz said  'Reasonable' measures)
3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and huge
client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc
messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)
4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be
used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our part
on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship
5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just too
great

-C

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
<tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:

On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
(salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com) wrote:

> > I thought the topic was a possible caucus statement on the censorship
> > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
> > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support a statement
> > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.

> @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding censorship

I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
My apologies for all concerned.

We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we are.
Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft messages
about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be
collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the general
consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.

--
Tapani Tarvainen

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