[Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
Jonah Kotee
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Wed Sep 19 09:03:26 PDT 2012
Good point: Nobody is being forced to watch the video. That is it.
On 9/19/12, Carlos M. Martinez <carlosmarcelomartinez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed. I don't think Google (or any other organization for that matter)
> should have either the 'right' nor the obligation of policing content.
> It's a very dangerous slippery slope that quickly leads to restrictions
> on freedom of expression and other crackdowns on content on the name of
> 'safety' or 'religion'.
>
> Additionally, if the community should choose to follow this path of
> content policing, it will quickly become unmanageable as there are
> thousands of possible communities that might find themselves 'offended'
> by something or other that other community says.
>
> Someone mentioned before, Google has 'big pockets' and could possibly
> maintain an army of censors, each trained on the particulars of
> different religions and cultures trying to flag content as 'possibly
> offensive'. If you make this a requirement, where does this leave
> smaller content providers? What about individual bloggers? What about
> individual Facebook profiles? Should they be policed too?
>
> As Mr. McNamara puts it, nobody is being forced to watch the video. And
> I can't help but feel that the video is just an excuse useful for
> getting people on the streets for political reasons. This is not the
> first time this has happened. Off the top of my head, without doing any
> research, I can remember the Danish cartoons, and way before that, even
> before the Internet went commercial, it was Salman Rushdie and the
> 'Satanic Verses'.
>
> So, personally, I don't think the problem here lies with the Internet or
> with Google, or with Wikipedia. They may be the symptom, but there are
> deeper issues at play.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> ~Carlos
>
> On 9/19/12 4:20 AM, G. S. McNamara wrote:
>> I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue
>> with the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the
>> Internet or removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid
>> viewing the content themselves, instead of asking that it be removed
>> for the whole world.
>>
>> Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However,
>> if people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their
>> control.
>>
>> I am only speaking for myself.
>>
>> Garrett McNamara
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <hasansf at gmail.com
>> <mailto:hasansf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I have been closely following the conversations thats going on
>> about this topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following
>> this discussion. I completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also,
>> thanks to Ian Peter for the article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines
>> a possible solution.
>>
>> As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of
>> humanity, global Internet Society and IGC can come together and
>> play our roles. We can definitely provide a join statement about
>> the issue and we can start a working group who will work together
>> to devise a possible solution. Let us put forward our names (or
>> chapters) who wants to work together.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Faisal
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter
>> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>>
>> In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu
>> interesting in that it outlines some of the current Google/You
>> Tube principles and suggests improvements based on a Wikipedia
>> style model
>>
>>
>> http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com
>> <http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
>> <chaitanyabd at gmail.com <http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530
>> *To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>>, "Salanieta T.
>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>>
>> *Cc: *Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>> <http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
>>
>> I think we all agree
>>
>> 1. Freedom of speech is important
>> 2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to
>> hurt the sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance")
>> something should be done to prevent that hurt sentiment -
>> strongest being censorship (but what other measures could be
>> used? - as Riaz said 'Reasonable' measures)
>> 3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large
>> reach and huge client base should consider possible methods to
>> prevent hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent mentioned -
>> we could work on this)
>> 4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3)
>> that can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal
>> said we need to do our part on this or Governments will
>> probably opt for blanket censorship
>> 5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the
>> damage is just too great
>>
>> -C
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T.
>> Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
>> <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>> <http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>> (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>) wrote:
>>
>> > > I thought the topic was a possible caucus
>> statement on the censorship
>> > > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
>> > > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support
>> a statement
>> > > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.
>>
>> > @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding
>> censorship
>>
>> I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
>> My apologies for all concerned.
>>
>>
>> We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least
>> I think we are. Developing a statement will help to give
>> us an opportunity to craft messages about our position in
>> the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be
>> collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC.
>> If the general consensus is not to develop a statement,
>> then we won't.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>
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