[Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube

Jonah Kotee ssolidarites at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 07:57:56 PDT 2012 

you quarantine it until the behaviour can positively improved.


On 9/20/12, Nawab Moniaruch FBCS CITP <monawab at intnet.mu> wrote:
> I respect Garrett's opinion.  Respect is a commodity which is not given to
> everybody.
>
> Question:  What do you do with a racing horse which has started behaving
> atypical and is a menace to the people around it?
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> Nawab
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> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of G. S.
> McNamara
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:20 AM
> To: Faisal Hasan
> Cc: Ian Peter; Chaitanya Dhareshwar; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Chapter
> Delegates
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks
> YouTube
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> I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue with
> the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the Internet or
> removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid viewing the content
> themselves, instead of asking that it be removed for the whole world.
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> Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However, if
> people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their control.
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> I am only speaking for myself.
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> Garrett McNamara
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> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <hasansf at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear All,
>
> I have been closely following the conversations thats going on about this
> topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following this discussion. I
> completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also, thanks to Ian Peter for the
> article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines a possible solution.
>
> As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of humanity,
> global Internet Society and IGC can come together and play our roles. We
> can
> definitely provide a join statement about the issue and we can start a
> working group who will work together to devise a possible solution. Let us
> put forward our names (or chapters) who wants to work together.
>
> Thanks
> Faisal
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> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
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> In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu interesting in
> that
> it outlines some of the current Google/You Tube principles and suggests
> improvements based on a Wikipedia style model
>
> http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube
> -should-police-hate-speech#
> <http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtub
> e-should-police-hate-speech>
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> Ian Peter
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>   _____
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> From: Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
> <chaitanyabd at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530
> To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
>
> I think we all agree
>
> 1. Freedom of speech is important
> 2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the
> sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done
> to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other
> measures could be used? - as Riaz said  'Reasonable' measures)
> 3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and huge
> client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc
> messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)
> 4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be
> used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our part
> on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship
> 5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just
> too
> great
>
> -C
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
> <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
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> On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com) wrote:
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>> > I thought the topic was a possible caucus statement on the censorship
>> > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
>> > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support a statement
>> > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.
>
>> @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding censorship
>
> I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
> My apologies for all concerned.
>
>
> We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we are.
> Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft
> messages
> about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be
> collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the general
> consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.
>
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