[Chapter-delegates] Chapter participation in the final compilation of the Revised By-Laws

[Norbert Klein]

Dear All,

in response to John More's opinion that my voice would be helpful in the 
/Chapter participation in the final compilation of the Revised By-Laws/, 
I would like to thank for this appreciation and to say that I am 
prepared to cooperate, in whatever way this will be organized further.

A the same time I would like to state my agreement with the observations 
and partial reservations expressed by Klaus Birkenbihl, John More, and 
Hans Peter Dittler. Throughout the time when the revision of ISOC Bylaws 
was discussed -- in webinars and on the Chapter Delegates' and other 
mailing list -I expressed the concern that this extraordinary 
opportunity of revising the ISOC Bylaws should be used not only to 
change some wordings, but  also to deal with some fundamental questions 
which had been raised about the nature of "ISOC."

Is "ISOC" an entity in itself as over against its members organized in 
chapters, which are subject to some regulations by "ISOC" - or is ISOC 
an entity made up of various kinds of Members, most of them organized in 
Chapters, and all together develop and agree on rules and procedures how 
to organize their common existence and activities.



Norbert Klein
Member of the Executive Committee
ISOC Cambodia Chapter

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On 10/25/2012 9:37 PM, JOHN MORE wrote:
> I appreciate the support and, because of my belief in the Society's mission and the role of Chapters (and individual members) in supporting that mission, I would be pleased to work with any and all of the names put forward.
>
> I agree with Klaus that we are working on a final draft and not revisiting the past policy discussions on governance. That being said, I believe there is still room to better reflect the important role of Chapters in democritizing the Society's governance and the need for Chapters to have some sort of a forum.  It is also important within the context of the non-profit law governing the Society as a District of Columbia corporation to keep the flexibility to address the legal requirements of the Chapters' home jurisdictions. Norbert's voice would be helpful in this context.
>
> The Society and the Internet face significant challenges with the WCIT and other issues.  I find that the staff and leadership of the Society and of its Chapters are working hard to implement a new cooperative strategy.  One only has to monitor all of the e-lists and attend the North American Region's Google Hangouts to see this in action.  Completing action on the Bylaws can only help.
>
> Since the Chapter "delegates" will not be voting members of the Bylaws Committee, I think a working group of 4 to 6 would best address the different interests.
>
> John More
>
>   
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl <Klaus.Birkenbihl at Isoc.de> wrote:
>
>> Alejandro Pisanty wrote on 2012-10-22 17:46:
>>> Ted,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> I nominate John More, Hans-Peter Dittler and Klaus Birkenbihl and move that we institute a self-organized, fast process to distill chapters' preferences into a short list of candidates.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>> Enviado desde/Sent from BlackBerry®
>>>
>> Thanks for the honor Alejandro. Though in general I'd be ready to accept I
>> have a few reservations:
>>
>> - Since the By-Laws are discussed now for a while I assume that this
>>    group shall do some final editing rather than make something new.
>> - As from the discussion at INET2012 and later discussions on mailing
>>    lists I still cannot see that the way ISOC shall be controlled and
>>    governed reflects the spirit of its mission.
>> - I still believe that being "cause based" does not require a small group
>>    of people in control and a huge membership with no say. (This might
>>    be appropriate for the Cath. church or some dictatorships. But not for
>>    orgs that want promote democratic virtues.)
>> - Having me (and maybe the other ones that you proposed) on the committee
>>    bears the risk of reiterating discussions that were rather unproductive
>>    till now.
>> - As I wrote in my last mail on this: I don't expect these By-Laws will
>>    significantly change the way ISOC is governed. So my preference would
>>    rather be to promote change by other means.
>>
>> So let me summarize: yes I'd be ready to accept.
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> -- 
>> Klaus Birkenbihl
>> Board member
>> Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (ISOC.DE)
>> c/o ict-Media GmbH
>> http://www.isoc.de/
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