[Chapter-delegates] Global INET Update

[Charles Mok]

Well said, Veni.


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Marie-Anne Delahaut <
delahaut.marie-anne at wallonie-isoc.org> wrote:

> I second Veni's and other colleagues' analysis.****
>
> ** **
>
> Really disappointed by ISOC selfish attitude, once more.****
>
> ** **
>
> Marie-Anne****
>
> ISOC member since 1998, founder in 1998 and head of ISOC Belgium-Wallonia
> - we have shared a lot energy, time and ideas for ISOC, without never
> receiving any acknowledgment, recognition nor anything (not speaking of
> money of course).****
>
> ** **
>
> *De :* chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:
> chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *De la part de* Veni Markovski
> *Envoyé :* jeudi 26 janvier 2012 20:15
> *À :* president at isoc-kh.org
> *Cc :* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> *Objet :* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Global INET Update****
>
> ** **
>
> I don't understand the reaction from ISOC, seriously.
> There are no more than 10-20, let them be 50 chapter members, who might
> have come to Geneva, if the conference was free. ISOC came back to the list
> with another, shall I call it, offer? As if we are at an Orient market, and
> the salesmen is trying to sell what we want to buy, but we all know that
> arguing about the price is part of the culture.
> Well, I said that I refuse to be awarded as a VVIP (what does the second
> "v" stands for - "Veni", or second "very"?) with a free pass, if that pass
> does not go to the chapters' members, or at least chapters' members of the
> board. I haven't spend 17 years of my life, dedicated to the ideas of ISOC,
> so that in return I will be a VVIP, or something like that.
> I've respected the organization, I have fought for the organization - both
> nationally and around the world, and I have tried to change it when I was
> on the Board of Trustees. That's normal, and I would expect similar from
> the other Trustees. Many of them were the Internet pioneers in their
> countries, and they do not need the recognition of ISOC HQ that they are
> such.
>
> Hope that ISOC can reconsider yet again, and just forget the usual
> salesmen discussion. We are not at the market, we are not trying to buy our
> participation at a conference for cheaper. We just believe that since ISOC
> is widely accepted as a respected organization, because of its members, and
> because of its chapters, it has to be adequately addressing their needs,
> not its own. And, on that point, it would be good to know how much the
> conference costs, and why ISOC doesn't have money to pay for all of it, but
> asks for participation fee.
> And even more interesting is to see who the speakers will be. If you don't
> have them by now, I am worried that no good ones could show up at such a
> short notice.
>
> v.
>
> On 1/26/2012 12:35, President ISOC-KH wrote: ****
>
> On 01/26/2012 08:06 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: ****
>
> Ted:****
>
> $150 might not seem like a lot of money to some but more than that is the
> message that it's being sent by ISOC . I do not think it reflects "*...**the
> greatest respect for our Chapters and the outstanding work you do...*".***
> *
>
> -ed****
>
>
> -ed, just to put this figure into perspective (not that I say the
> following is "precise" but it gives some hints) what $150 means as the fee
> to participate in Geneva as an ISOC member. - Even if somebody paid my
> ticket, this is out for me (my salary, for may year, had nothing to do with
> my passport nationality - my choice to work with Cambodian NGOs). And this
> mail is not to blame any individual - it is just a plea that those who are
> in the upper ten groups in the list down here should not forget the lower
> ten groups when making general statements in the name of ISOC - "The
> internet is for everyone."
>
> Or just hide and change this slogan.
>
>
> Norbert
>
> =
> *
> Average monthly salary around the world
> *
> Fri Jul 16, 2010
>
> Ever wonder what's the average salary in other countries? The list below
> sort them out in US$...
>
> Again the list is in US$, convert to your local currencies to get
> localized quote.
>
> 2 Switzerland - Geneva / 4246.72
> 3 Norway - Oslo / 4077.44
> 4 Ireland - Dublin / 3849.28
> 5 USA - New York / 3680
> 6 Luxembourg - Luxembourg / 3610.08
> 8 UK - London / 3532.8
> 9 Denmark - Copenhagen / 3521.76
> 11 Finland - Helsinki / 3278.88
> 12 Japan - Tokyo / 3216.32
> 13 Germany - Frankfurt / 3146.4
>
>
> 60 China - Shanghai / 482.08
> 61 Colombia - Bogota / 478.4
> 62 Ukraine - Kiev / 426.88
> 63 Kenya - Nairobi / 408.48
> 64 Thailand - Bangkok / 401.12
> 66 Mexico - Mexico / 401.12
> 67 Bulgaria - Sofia / 375.36
> 68 India - Mumbai / 320.16
> 69 Indonesia - Jakarta / 301.76
> 70 Philippines - Manila / 287.04
>
> Cambodia is, of course, not on the list – too low.
>
>
>
>
> --
> In April 2011, I started a new blog:
>
> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
> http://www.thinking21.org/
>
> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
> This is my latest posting:
>
> Council of Ministers Spokesperson Censured UN Special Expert (26.1.2012)
> http://www.thinking21.org/?p=700
>
> Norbert Klein
> nhklein at gmx.net
> Phnom Penh / Cambodia
>
>
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