[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update

Fri Apr 6 10:39:15 PDT 2012

Elena,

I view Wikipedia as a commons <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons> 
owned by us all, and we all  ~ humanity 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human>, have a role to play in its 
maintenance.

FYI, disputes between humans on Wikipedia are handled through a process 
detailed here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About#Handling_disputes_and_abuse.

Best,

Tom

On 4/6/2012 1:20 PM, Elena Zvarici wrote:
> Thank you Thomas,
>
> One small question:
>
> Who is "humanity"?
>
> Elena
> Isoc România
>
> Trimis de pe iPhone-ul meu
>
> Pe 06.04.2012, la 18:46, Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com 
> <mailto:toml at communisphere.com>> a scris:
>
>> The way I see it:
>>
>> Wikipedia has a page about the Internet Society: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society. The Internet Society 
>> does not have a page on Wikipedia.
>>
>> We (humanity) are the editors of that page. Discussion about that 
>> page's content is most fruitfully done on its talk page: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Society. We're all best 
>> served if the facts are accurate and a neutral voice is preserved in 
>> the article. So there might be a role for isoc central staff, but it 
>> is not the expert on much of the data. We are.
>>
>> Tom Lowenhaupt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2012 9:36 AM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>>> Hi Grigori,
>>> Yes , it's true what you are saying.
>>> Still, it's up to Wikipedia (editors ) to do the quality check of the information, not up to Isoc staff or chapter representative to chase and update this kind of information regarding Isoc.
>>> You are the source, not Wikipedia.
>>> If you start accepting this kind of situation , in a near future you will have to accept wasting your (valuable) chapter manager time on Wikipedia , twitter , youtube, facebook and future user generated content to "correct" disinformation.
>>> It would be the beginning of a disaster in terms of publishing standards, ethics  of journalism and intellectual property .
>>> I already see CNN and other networks starting to publish content " according to youtube". Next step would be to see OECD or rating agencies lowering Armenia or US AAA qualificative "according to wikipedia study".
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>>> De la: "Grigori Saghyan"<gregor at arminco.com>
>>> Către:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 15:48:08
>>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>>
>>> Eduard,
>>> Our Chapter representative has all rights to edit information about our
>>> Chapter URL in order to provide correct information. Of course, first of
>>> all necessary  to inform ISOC staff about any changes in our Chapter
>>> URL, then try to inform others about these changes, including Wikipedia.
>>> Grigori Saghyan
>>> ISOC.AM
>>>
>>> On 4/6/2012 3:14 PM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>>>> Dear Veni ,
>>>> Technically , anyone can edit Wikipedia content about Isoc, and this is precisely where i see a problem of interfering with the user-generated content abou an information concerning both chapters and Isoc as an organization.
>>>> Who has the legal and moral authority to do so ?
>>>> For example i have the legal power to deal with Isoc Romania issues (including wikipedia content ) , but neither the legal or moral power to edit other Isoc related content.
>>>> Technically , yes , as chapter delegates  we can edit Wikipedia page about Isoc, but from a legal /ethical point of view we shouldn,t , this is my opinion.
>>>> Wikipedia should have a special , specific policy about information related to Legal institutions (corporations, ngo's ) , Countries, etc .
>>>> Just because something  it's trendy and cool on Internet , it doesn't mean it's right :)
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>>>> De la: "Veni Markovski"<veni at veni.com>
>>>> Către: "Eduard Tric"<eduard.tric at isoc.ro>
>>>> cc:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 13:23:20
>>>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>>>
>>>> If I have had my computer, I would have edited it by now. Just anyone on this list can do it, so just go and edit it.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Eduard Tric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics_Department
>>>> Statistics Scoreboard
>>>> Metric Current Value
>>>> Users 16,559,118
>>>> Admins 1,484
>>>> User/Admin Ratio 11158.44 users per admin
>>>> Edits 526,334,981
>>>> Pages 26,750,093
>>>> Edits per Article 19.68 edits per page
>>>> + too many males editors + other discouraging things.
>>>> I see it like another utopic attempt to share unvalidated , unreliable , contested knowledge .
>>>>
>>>> Updating Isoc page is a minor thing, the real question is : Does Isoc caution Wikipedia way of disseminating information ? Updating the page would men that you agree with Wikipedia framework.
>>>> I don't know about the situation in US, Poland or other countries, but teachers here in Romania are very skeptical about "i checked on wikipedia , so it must be true, richt, teacher ? " attitude.
>>>> Comments on this ???
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>>>> De la: "Veni Markovski"<  veni at veni.com  >
>>>> Către: "Klaus Birkenbihl"<  Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de  >
>>>> cc:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 12:27:13
>>>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1. With a :( sign.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was a rather simple question by Olivier that started the
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check&  updates Wikipedia pages?
>>>> And to be fair I thought it was just a ping for our
>>>> communications staff to carefully apply some corrections.
>>>> This is what Khaled would expect, this is what members
>>>> would expect, this is what the world would expect. Like
>>>> it or not - as long as Wikipedia is the first point
>>>> of information on any subject for many it deserves some
>>>> attention. That Wikipedia is not free of errors and
>>>> conflicts is no reason for us to ignore it.
>>>>
>>>> But obviously it _only_ started another big chapters
>>>> discussion thread instead. As it was before with "INET2012
>>>> planning" and our "new Website quality" that has not
>>>> improved since 5 months now. Would it be fair to assume
>>>> that ISOC has a problem managing its communications
>>>> (with members and the world)?
>>>>
>>>> Klaus
>>>>
>>>> President ISOC-KH wrote on 2012-04-06 04:56:
>>>>> There are at present different opinions ? apply Wiki general editing
>>>>> rules or not? I think it is most important to consider some fundamentals:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Wiki has information related to ISOC as a whole (including the
>>>>> list saying which Chapters exist, supposedly not updated at present),
>>>>> and it has access to specific information on Chapters.
>>>>>
>>>>> I consider it to be surprising that a publicly accessible Wiki on ISOC
>>>>> exists and there is no immediate clarification from staff saying who
>>>>> (at ISOC Global) is responsible to make sure that this information is
>>>>> correct. I would appreciate to receive, on this list, such
>>>>> clarification to be given soonest - as the Wiki is pubic - stating who
>>>>> is responsible for what, related to this Wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as there is no clarity who is responsible to make sure that
>>>>> the list of Chapters is correct, it is also not enough to say that the
>>>>> Chapters are responsible to edit their related content.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is a Wiki ? with wide open editing rights - really appropriate to
>>>>> carry important information about ISCO Global and ISOC Chapters?
>>>>>
>>>>> But maybe a different kind of Wiki is important, as a public forum on
>>>>> ISOC affairs - with links to authoritative institutional information?
>>>>>
>>>>> The new ISOC website has more information than I can research quickly
>>>>> to find out if there is also an address like ?ISOC in a nutshell?
>>>>> (easily accessible from the main page) which would give some really
>>>>> brief and basic information about ISOC Global, and a list where all
>>>>> Chapter website links can be accessed by one mouse click.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norbert
>>>>> ISOC Cambodia Chapter
>>>>>
>>>>> =
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2012 6:50 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote:
>>>>>> I probably have different view than some of you.
>>>>>> It is true that Wikipedia is based on the open process to users to
>>>>>> edit content about any subject they want to and there is volunteers
>>>>>> around the world that are taking of some corrections or updating
>>>>>> But some famous personalities or organization take care about their
>>>>>> wikipedia page by dedicated PR/Comm staff that will ensure that
>>>>>> information on the page are correct because they know that wikipedia
>>>>>> come along the first search result in the online search.
>>>>>> So I think it is probably important for the comm ISOC staff to take
>>>>>> care of it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Khaled
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 03/04/2012 02:53, Veni Markovski a écrit :
>>>>>>> Actually it would be perfectly fine if you edit it. No need to
>>>>>>> refer it to Isoc staff to edit it, which also would be inappropriate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check&  updates Wikipedia pages?
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society  is in need of a
>>>>>>> refresh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
>>>>>>> http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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