[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update

Sun Apr 8 06:05:55 PDT 2012

As an experienced (and proud!) Wikipedian, I would recommend that
those interested offer their suggested changes on the article's
discussion page first, at least if the changes might be controversial
or represent a potential conflict of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Society

This is the usual procedure that we advise for organizations concerned
about updating the Wikipedia article about their group.

Very simple or uncontroversial corrections, though, would not need
such a process.

Thanks,
Richard

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt
<toml at communisphere.com> wrote:
> Elena,
>
> I view Wikipedia as a commons owned by us all, and we all  ~ humanity, have
> a role to play in its maintenance.
>
> FYI, disputes between humans on Wikipedia are handled through a process
> detailed here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About#Handling_disputes_and_abuse.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 1:20 PM, Elena Zvarici wrote:
>
> Thank you Thomas,
>
> One small question:
>
> Who is "humanity"?
>
> Elena
> Isoc România
>
> Trimis de pe iPhone-ul meu
>
> Pe 06.04.2012, la 18:46, Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com> a scris:
>
> The way I see it:
>
> Wikipedia has a page about the Internet Society:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society. The Internet Society does not
> have a page on Wikipedia.
>
> We (humanity) are the editors of that page. Discussion about that page's
> content is most fruitfully done on its talk page:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Society. We're all best served if
> the facts are accurate and a neutral voice is preserved in the article. So
> there might be a role for isoc central staff, but it is not the expert on
> much of the data. We are.
>
> Tom Lowenhaupt
>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 9:36 AM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>
> Hi Grigori,
> Yes , it's true what you are saying.
> Still, it's up to Wikipedia (editors ) to do the quality check of the
> information, not up to Isoc staff or chapter representative to chase and
> update this kind of information regarding Isoc.
> You are the source, not Wikipedia.
> If you start accepting this kind of situation , in a near future you will
> have to accept wasting your (valuable) chapter manager time on Wikipedia ,
> twitter , youtube, facebook and future user generated content to "correct"
> disinformation.
> It would be the beginning of a disaster in terms of publishing standards,
> ethics  of journalism and intellectual property .
> I already see CNN and other networks starting to publish content " according
> to youtube". Next step would be to see OECD or rating agencies lowering
> Armenia or US AAA qualificative "according to wikipedia study".
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Mesaj original -----
> De la: "Grigori Saghyan" <gregor at arminco.com>
> Către: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 15:48:08
> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>
> Eduard,
> Our Chapter representative has all rights to edit information about our
> Chapter URL in order to provide correct information. Of course, first of
> all necessary  to inform ISOC staff about any changes in our Chapter
> URL, then try to inform others about these changes, including Wikipedia.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
> On 4/6/2012 3:14 PM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>
> Dear Veni ,
> Technically , anyone can edit Wikipedia content about Isoc, and this is
> precisely where i see a problem of interfering with the user-generated
> content abou an information concerning both chapters and Isoc as an
> organization.
> Who has the legal and moral authority to do so ?
> For example i have the legal power to deal with Isoc Romania issues
> (including wikipedia content ) , but neither the legal or moral power to
> edit other Isoc related content.
> Technically , yes , as chapter delegates  we can edit Wikipedia page about
> Isoc, but from a legal /ethical point of view we shouldn,t , this is my
> opinion.
> Wikipedia should have a special , specific policy about information related
> to Legal institutions (corporations, ngo's ) , Countries, etc .
> Just because something  it's trendy and cool on Internet , it doesn't mean
> it's right :)
> Regards,
> Ed
>
> ----- Mesaj original -----
> De la: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
> Către: "Eduard Tric" <eduard.tric at isoc.ro>
> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 13:23:20
> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>
> If I have had my computer, I would have edited it by now. Just anyone on
> this list can do it, so just go and edit it.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Eduard Tric wrote:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics_Department
> Statistics Scoreboard
> Metric Current Value
> Users 16,559,118
> Admins 1,484
> User/Admin Ratio 11158.44 users per admin
> Edits 526,334,981
> Pages 26,750,093
> Edits per Article 19.68 edits per page
> + too many males editors + other discouraging things.
> I see it like another utopic attempt to share unvalidated , unreliable ,
> contested knowledge .
>
> Updating Isoc page is a minor thing, the real question is : Does Isoc
> caution Wikipedia way of disseminating information ? Updating the page would
> men that you agree with Wikipedia framework.
> I don't know about the situation in US, Poland or other countries, but
> teachers here in Romania are very skeptical about "i checked on wikipedia ,
> so it must be true, richt, teacher ? " attitude.
> Comments on this ???
> Regards,
> Ed
>
> ----- Mesaj original -----
> De la: "Veni Markovski" < veni at veni.com >
> Către: "Klaus Birkenbihl" < Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de >
> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 12:27:13
> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>
>
> +1. With a :( sign.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
>
>
> It was a rather simple question by Olivier that started the
> discussion.
>
> does anybody from ISOC staff check & updates Wikipedia pages?
>
> And to be fair I thought it was just a ping for our
> communications staff to carefully apply some corrections.
> This is what Khaled would expect, this is what members
> would expect, this is what the world would expect. Like
> it or not - as long as Wikipedia is the first point
> of information on any subject for many it deserves some
> attention. That Wikipedia is not free of errors and
> conflicts is no reason for us to ignore it.
>
> But obviously it _only_ started another big chapters
> discussion thread instead. As it was before with "INET2012
> planning" and our "new Website quality" that has not
> improved since 5 months now. Would it be fair to assume
> that ISOC has a problem managing its communications
> (with members and the world)?
>
> Klaus
>
> President ISOC-KH wrote on 2012-04-06 04:56:
>
> There are at present different opinions ? apply Wiki general editing
> rules or not? I think it is most important to consider some fundamentals:
>
> The Wiki has information related to ISOC as a whole (including the
> list saying which Chapters exist, supposedly not updated at present),
> and it has access to specific information on Chapters.
>
> I consider it to be surprising that a publicly accessible Wiki on ISOC
> exists and there is no immediate clarification from staff saying who
> (at ISOC Global) is responsible to make sure that this information is
> correct. I would appreciate to receive, on this list, such
> clarification to be given soonest - as the Wiki is pubic - stating who
> is responsible for what, related to this Wiki.
>
> As long as there is no clarity who is responsible to make sure that
> the list of Chapters is correct, it is also not enough to say that the
> Chapters are responsible to edit their related content.
>
> Is a Wiki ? with wide open editing rights - really appropriate to
> carry important information about ISCO Global and ISOC Chapters?
>
> But maybe a different kind of Wiki is important, as a public forum on
> ISOC affairs - with links to authoritative institutional information?
>
> The new ISOC website has more information than I can research quickly
> to find out if there is also an address like ?ISOC in a nutshell?
> (easily accessible from the main page) which would give some really
> brief and basic information about ISOC Global, and a list where all
> Chapter website links can be accessed by one mouse click.
>
> Norbert
> ISOC Cambodia Chapter
>
> =
>
> On 4/6/2012 6:50 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote:
>
> I probably have different view than some of you.
> It is true that Wikipedia is based on the open process to users to
> edit content about any subject they want to and there is volunteers
> around the world that are taking of some corrections or updating
> But some famous personalities or organization take care about their
> wikipedia page by dedicated PR/Comm staff that will ensure that
> information on the page are correct because they know that wikipedia
> come along the first search result in the online search.
> So I think it is probably important for the comm ISOC staff to take
> care of it
>
> Khaled
>
> Le 03/04/2012 02:53, Veni Markovski a écrit :
>
> Actually it would be perfectly fine if you edit it. No need to
> refer it to Isoc staff to edit it, which also would be inappropriate.
>
> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>
> Hey there,
>
> does anybody from ISOC staff check & updates Wikipedia pages?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society is in need of a
> refresh.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> --
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
> http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>
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