[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update

Fri Apr 6 10:20:32 PDT 2012

Thank you Thomas, 

One small question: 

Who is "humanity"?

Elena
Isoc România

Trimis de pe iPhone-ul meu

Pe 06.04.2012, la 18:46, Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com> a scris:

> The way I see it:
> 
> Wikipedia has a page about the Internet Society: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society.     The Internet Society does not have a page on Wikipedia.
> 
> We (humanity) are the editors of that page. Discussion about that page's content is most fruitfully done on its talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Society. We're all best served if the facts are accurate and a neutral voice is preserved in the article. So there might be a role for isoc central staff, but it is not the expert on much of the data. We are.
> 
> Tom Lowenhaupt
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2012 9:36 AM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Grigori,
>> Yes , it's true what you are saying.
>> Still, it's up to Wikipedia (editors ) to do the quality check of the information, not up to Isoc staff or chapter representative to chase and update this kind of information regarding Isoc.
>> You are the source, not Wikipedia.
>> If you start accepting this kind of situation , in a near future you will have to accept wasting your (valuable) chapter manager time on Wikipedia , twitter , youtube, facebook and future user generated content to "correct" disinformation.
>> It would be the beginning of a disaster in terms of publishing standards, ethics  of journalism and intellectual property .
>> I already see CNN and other networks starting to publish content " according to youtube". Next step would be to see OECD or rating agencies lowering Armenia or US AAA qualificative "according to wikipedia study".
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>> De la: "Grigori Saghyan" <gregor at arminco.com>
>> Către: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 15:48:08
>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>> 
>> Eduard,
>> Our Chapter representative has all rights to edit information about our
>> Chapter URL in order to provide correct information. Of course, first of
>> all necessary  to inform ISOC staff about any changes in our Chapter
>> URL, then try to inform others about these changes, including Wikipedia.
>> Grigori Saghyan
>> ISOC.AM
>> 
>> On 4/6/2012 3:14 PM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>>> Dear Veni , 
>>> Technically , anyone can edit Wikipedia content about Isoc, and this is precisely where i see a problem of interfering with the user-generated content abou an information concerning both chapters and Isoc as an organization.
>>> Who has the legal and moral authority to do so ?
>>> For example i have the legal power to deal with Isoc Romania issues (including wikipedia content ) , but neither the legal or moral power to edit other Isoc related content.
>>> Technically , yes , as chapter delegates  we can edit Wikipedia page about Isoc, but from a legal /ethical point of view we shouldn,t , this is my opinion.
>>> Wikipedia should have a special , specific policy about information related to Legal institutions (corporations, ngo's ) , Countries, etc .
>>> Just because something  it's trendy and cool on Internet , it doesn't mean it's right :)
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>>> De la: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
>>> Către: "Eduard Tric" <eduard.tric at isoc.ro>
>>> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 13:23:20
>>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>> 
>>> If I have had my computer, I would have edited it by now. Just anyone on this list can do it, so just go and edit it. 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Eduard Tric wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics_Department 
>>> Statistics Scoreboard 
>>> Metric Current Value 
>>> Users 16,559,118 
>>> Admins 1,484 
>>> User/Admin Ratio 11158.44 users per admin 
>>> Edits 526,334,981 
>>> Pages 26,750,093 
>>> Edits per Article 19.68 edits per page 
>>> + too many males editors + other discouraging things. 
>>> I see it like another utopic attempt to share unvalidated , unreliable , contested knowledge . 
>>> 
>>> Updating Isoc page is a minor thing, the real question is : Does Isoc caution Wikipedia way of disseminating information ? Updating the page would men that you agree with Wikipedia framework. 
>>> I don't know about the situation in US, Poland or other countries, but teachers here in Romania are very skeptical about "i checked on wikipedia , so it must be true, richt, teacher ? " attitude. 
>>> Comments on this ??? 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Ed 
>>> 
>>> ----- Mesaj original ----- 
>>> De la: "Veni Markovski" < veni at veni.com > 
>>> Către: "Klaus Birkenbihl" < Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de > 
>>> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org 
>>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 12:27:13 
>>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1. With a :( sign. 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It was a rather simple question by Olivier that started the 
>>> discussion. 
>>> 
>>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check & updates Wikipedia pages? 
>>> And to be fair I thought it was just a ping for our 
>>> communications staff to carefully apply some corrections. 
>>> This is what Khaled would expect, this is what members 
>>> would expect, this is what the world would expect. Like 
>>> it or not - as long as Wikipedia is the first point 
>>> of information on any subject for many it deserves some 
>>> attention. That Wikipedia is not free of errors and 
>>> conflicts is no reason for us to ignore it. 
>>> 
>>> But obviously it _only_ started another big chapters 
>>> discussion thread instead. As it was before with "INET2012 
>>> planning" and our "new Website quality" that has not 
>>> improved since 5 months now. Would it be fair to assume 
>>> that ISOC has a problem managing its communications 
>>> (with members and the world)? 
>>> 
>>> Klaus 
>>> 
>>> President ISOC-KH wrote on 2012-04-06 04:56: 
>>>> There are at present different opinions ? apply Wiki general editing 
>>>> rules or not? I think it is most important to consider some fundamentals: 
>>>> 
>>>> The Wiki has information related to ISOC as a whole (including the 
>>>> list saying which Chapters exist, supposedly not updated at present), 
>>>> and it has access to specific information on Chapters. 
>>>> 
>>>> I consider it to be surprising that a publicly accessible Wiki on ISOC 
>>>> exists and there is no immediate clarification from staff saying who 
>>>> (at ISOC Global) is responsible to make sure that this information is 
>>>> correct. I would appreciate to receive, on this list, such 
>>>> clarification to be given soonest - as the Wiki is pubic - stating who 
>>>> is responsible for what, related to this Wiki. 
>>>> 
>>>> As long as there is no clarity who is responsible to make sure that 
>>>> the list of Chapters is correct, it is also not enough to say that the 
>>>> Chapters are responsible to edit their related content. 
>>>> 
>>>> Is a Wiki ? with wide open editing rights - really appropriate to 
>>>> carry important information about ISCO Global and ISOC Chapters? 
>>>> 
>>>> But maybe a different kind of Wiki is important, as a public forum on 
>>>> ISOC affairs - with links to authoritative institutional information? 
>>>> 
>>>> The new ISOC website has more information than I can research quickly 
>>>> to find out if there is also an address like ?ISOC in a nutshell? 
>>>> (easily accessible from the main page) which would give some really 
>>>> brief and basic information about ISOC Global, and a list where all 
>>>> Chapter website links can be accessed by one mouse click. 
>>>> 
>>>> Norbert 
>>>> ISOC Cambodia Chapter 
>>>> 
>>>> = 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/6/2012 6:50 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote: 
>>>>> I probably have different view than some of you. 
>>>>> It is true that Wikipedia is based on the open process to users to 
>>>>> edit content about any subject they want to and there is volunteers 
>>>>> around the world that are taking of some corrections or updating 
>>>>> But some famous personalities or organization take care about their 
>>>>> wikipedia page by dedicated PR/Comm staff that will ensure that 
>>>>> information on the page are correct because they know that wikipedia 
>>>>> come along the first search result in the online search. 
>>>>> So I think it is probably important for the comm ISOC staff to take 
>>>>> care of it 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Khaled 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 03/04/2012 02:53, Veni Markovski a écrit : 
>>>>>> Actually it would be perfectly fine if you edit it. No need to 
>>>>>> refer it to Isoc staff to edit it, which also would be inappropriate. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey there, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check & updates Wikipedia pages? 
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society is in need of a 
>>>>>> refresh. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Olivier 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD 
>>>>>> http://www.gih.com/ocl.html 
>> 
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