[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update

Fri Apr 6 08:46:41 PDT 2012

The way I see it:

Wikipedia has a page about the Internet Society: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society. The Internet Society does 
not have a page on Wikipedia.

We (humanity) are the editors of that page. Discussion about that page's 
content is most fruitfully done on its talk page: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Society. We're all best 
served if the facts are accurate and a neutral voice is preserved in the 
article. So there might be a role for isoc central staff, but it is not 
the expert on much of the data. We are.

Tom Lowenhaupt

On 4/6/2012 9:36 AM, Eduard Tric wrote:
> Hi Grigori,
> Yes , it's true what you are saying.
> Still, it's up to Wikipedia (editors ) to do the quality check of the information, not up to Isoc staff or chapter representative to chase and update this kind of information regarding Isoc.
> You are the source, not Wikipedia.
> If you start accepting this kind of situation , in a near future you will have to accept wasting your (valuable) chapter manager time on Wikipedia , twitter , youtube, facebook and future user generated content to "correct" disinformation.
> It would be the beginning of a disaster in terms of publishing standards, ethics  of journalism and intellectual property .
> I already see CNN and other networks starting to publish content " according to youtube". Next step would be to see OECD or rating agencies lowering Armenia or US AAA qualificative "according to wikipedia study".
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Mesaj original -----
> De la: "Grigori Saghyan"<gregor at arminco.com>
> Către: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 15:48:08
> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>
> Eduard,
> Our Chapter representative has all rights to edit information about our
> Chapter URL in order to provide correct information. Of course, first of
> all necessary  to inform ISOC staff about any changes in our Chapter
> URL, then try to inform others about these changes, including Wikipedia.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
> On 4/6/2012 3:14 PM, Eduard Tric wrote:
>> Dear Veni ,
>> Technically , anyone can edit Wikipedia content about Isoc, and this is precisely where i see a problem of interfering with the user-generated content abou an information concerning both chapters and Isoc as an organization.
>> Who has the legal and moral authority to do so ?
>> For example i have the legal power to deal with Isoc Romania issues (including wikipedia content ) , but neither the legal or moral power to edit other Isoc related content.
>> Technically , yes , as chapter delegates  we can edit Wikipedia page about Isoc, but from a legal /ethical point of view we shouldn,t , this is my opinion.
>> Wikipedia should have a special , specific policy about information related to Legal institutions (corporations, ngo's ) , Countries, etc .
>> Just because something  it's trendy and cool on Internet , it doesn't mean it's right :)
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>>
>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>> De la: "Veni Markovski"<veni at veni.com>
>> Către: "Eduard Tric"<eduard.tric at isoc.ro>
>> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 13:23:20
>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>
>> If I have had my computer, I would have edited it by now. Just anyone on this list can do it, so just go and edit it.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Eduard Tric wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics_Department
>> Statistics Scoreboard
>> Metric Current Value
>> Users 16,559,118
>> Admins 1,484
>> User/Admin Ratio 11158.44 users per admin
>> Edits 526,334,981
>> Pages 26,750,093
>> Edits per Article 19.68 edits per page
>> + too many males editors + other discouraging things.
>> I see it like another utopic attempt to share unvalidated , unreliable , contested knowledge .
>>
>> Updating Isoc page is a minor thing, the real question is : Does Isoc caution Wikipedia way of disseminating information ? Updating the page would men that you agree with Wikipedia framework.
>> I don't know about the situation in US, Poland or other countries, but teachers here in Romania are very skeptical about "i checked on wikipedia , so it must be true, richt, teacher ? " attitude.
>> Comments on this ???
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>>
>> ----- Mesaj original -----
>> De la: "Veni Markovski"<  veni at veni.com>
>> Către: "Klaus Birkenbihl"<  Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de>
>> cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Trimis: vineri, 6 aprilie, 2012 12:27:13
>> Subiect: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society / Wikipedia Page update
>>
>>
>> +1. With a :( sign.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
>>
>>
>> It was a rather simple question by Olivier that started the
>> discussion.
>>
>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check&  updates Wikipedia pages?
>> And to be fair I thought it was just a ping for our
>> communications staff to carefully apply some corrections.
>> This is what Khaled would expect, this is what members
>> would expect, this is what the world would expect. Like
>> it or not - as long as Wikipedia is the first point
>> of information on any subject for many it deserves some
>> attention. That Wikipedia is not free of errors and
>> conflicts is no reason for us to ignore it.
>>
>> But obviously it _only_ started another big chapters
>> discussion thread instead. As it was before with "INET2012
>> planning" and our "new Website quality" that has not
>> improved since 5 months now. Would it be fair to assume
>> that ISOC has a problem managing its communications
>> (with members and the world)?
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> President ISOC-KH wrote on 2012-04-06 04:56:
>>> There are at present different opinions ? apply Wiki general editing
>>> rules or not? I think it is most important to consider some fundamentals:
>>>
>>> The Wiki has information related to ISOC as a whole (including the
>>> list saying which Chapters exist, supposedly not updated at present),
>>> and it has access to specific information on Chapters.
>>>
>>> I consider it to be surprising that a publicly accessible Wiki on ISOC
>>> exists and there is no immediate clarification from staff saying who
>>> (at ISOC Global) is responsible to make sure that this information is
>>> correct. I would appreciate to receive, on this list, such
>>> clarification to be given soonest - as the Wiki is pubic - stating who
>>> is responsible for what, related to this Wiki.
>>>
>>> As long as there is no clarity who is responsible to make sure that
>>> the list of Chapters is correct, it is also not enough to say that the
>>> Chapters are responsible to edit their related content.
>>>
>>> Is a Wiki ? with wide open editing rights - really appropriate to
>>> carry important information about ISCO Global and ISOC Chapters?
>>>
>>> But maybe a different kind of Wiki is important, as a public forum on
>>> ISOC affairs - with links to authoritative institutional information?
>>>
>>> The new ISOC website has more information than I can research quickly
>>> to find out if there is also an address like ?ISOC in a nutshell?
>>> (easily accessible from the main page) which would give some really
>>> brief and basic information about ISOC Global, and a list where all
>>> Chapter website links can be accessed by one mouse click.
>>>
>>> Norbert
>>> ISOC Cambodia Chapter
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> On 4/6/2012 6:50 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote:
>>>> I probably have different view than some of you.
>>>> It is true that Wikipedia is based on the open process to users to
>>>> edit content about any subject they want to and there is volunteers
>>>> around the world that are taking of some corrections or updating
>>>> But some famous personalities or organization take care about their
>>>> wikipedia page by dedicated PR/Comm staff that will ensure that
>>>> information on the page are correct because they know that wikipedia
>>>> come along the first search result in the online search.
>>>> So I think it is probably important for the comm ISOC staff to take
>>>> care of it
>>>>
>>>> Khaled
>>>>
>>>> Le 03/04/2012 02:53, Veni Markovski a écrit :
>>>>> Actually it would be perfectly fine if you edit it. No need to
>>>>> refer it to Isoc staff to edit it, which also would be inappropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey there,
>>>>>
>>>>> does anybody from ISOC staff check&  updates Wikipedia pages?
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Society is in need of a
>>>>> refresh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
>>>>> http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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