[Chapter-delegates] Sad news from ISOC Poland

[Rudi Vansnick]

Klaus, I agree with most of your points.

FB is still a commercial project with basic objective : selling publicity.
As such, we all offer freely added value to their platform while we should consider the added value of FB for our organisation and objectives.

The dissemination of wrong messages and/or statements are out of our control and could hurt our organisations in many ways. Removal of bad information is not evident and will ask for legal actions.

I'm still convinced using our own webspace is the best way to express what we are standing for, to express our mission and goals and defend and publish our statements without being overwhelmed and discriminated by large flood of messages. 

Just my 2cnts

Rudi Vansnick
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Op 25-nov-2011, om 14:08 heeft Klaus Birkenbihl het volgende geschreven:

> OK guys, call me a paranoid if you like. Here is my take on it.
> 
> Tommy said that there are quite some core values that are threatened by
> FB. I definitely agree. I even think FB harms the Internet because their
> business model threatens:
> 
> privacy: Data protection commissioners in EU but also in the rest of
>   the world find every week a new reason to admonish or sue FB
> 
> networking: it is more or less the vision of FB to make the Internet
>   a star shaped network. What ever data you have: give it to *us*
>   whoever you want to reach, reach her with *us*, what ever you do
>   let *us* know, whoever you know, let us know too. If you like
>   something tell *us*, your artwork, give it to *us*, your creativity,
>   your skills use them with *us*! (did I hear anybody say 1984?)
>   You cannot escape anyhow! Since, if you don't feed *us* with all
>   this stuff - your friends will truly do it for you.
>   Everything will be with *us*. Everything will be provided by *us*.
>   Every communication runs through *us*. Nothing goes without
>   *us*. No other service within the web is as grabby as *us*!
> 
> Btw as soon as FB has finally succeeded we don't need an Internet anymore.
> Because everybody is connected to FB and every communication can run
> through it. FB Apps will replace Web browsers (maybe having Web access as
> a an option).
> 
> This is only partly an educational issue. It is more a policy issue
> as there is a need to
> 
> - stop monopolization of the Internet
> - enforce privacy laws
> - take means to foster pluralism
> - maintain true networking and keep it neutral
> 
> Admitted we saw monopolies in IT before. Telecom operators, IBM,
> Microsoft, Google(?), ... So maybe FB is just an episode. Nevertheless
> some care might be appropriate and a good message can help to
> make it an episode.
> 
> There might be rationals and advantages that give people a reason to
> carefully use FB. But as far as ISOC is concerned: using facebook
> to promote ISOC's business will spoil the credibility of the message.
> 
> Or don't we have the presumed message that we are against the way FB
> (ab)uses the Internet? IMHO it would be good we had. Despite - or
> rather because - FB was accepted as an executive ISOC member.
> 
> Paranoid regards,
> Klaus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Patrick Vande Walle wrote on 2011-11-18 11:12:
>> On 18/11/11 07:57, Tommi Karttaavi wrote:
>>> On 18.11.2011 1:36, Fred Baker wrote:
>>>> I like the FB page. I "liked" it, too. Queuestion. What's the "sad"
>>>> news?
>>> 
>>> I suspect Marcin might be referring to what I said at the European
>>> Chapters Workshop last week about why ISOC Finland doesn't have a FB
>>> page. There may or may not have been foam coming out of my mouth :)
>>> 
>> 
>> Tommi,
>> 
>> For the benefit of those who were not at the Bucharest meeting, would
>> you be willing to share what you said about why ISOC Finland doesn't
>> have a FB page ? 
>> 
>> FWIW, ISOC Luxembourg does have a FB page at  http://facebook.isoc.lu
>> (redirects to https://www.facebook.com/Internet.Society.Luxembourg )   
>> You are welcome to "Like" it :-)
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
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> Klaus Birkenbihl
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