[Chapter-delegates] usage of internetsociety and/or isoc in Germany

[Eduardo Diaz]

Our main concern in Puerto Rico is the possible disruption of links to the
original ISOC web site.

There are many applications out there to do this. We use Xenu.

-ed

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Hans Peter Dittler <
hpdittler at braintec-consult.de> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was hesitating to jump into this discussion, but now I will do, even
> risking some more flaming.
>
> I understand the main motivation for the move from www.ISOC.org to
> www.internetsociety.org.
> I am not convinced that all of those arguments are true outside the
> English-Language area - but that needs more discussion and research.
> The discussion about the main website and the naming of Internet Society
> should be continued (or started?) in a different thread.
>
> Back to our situation in Germany:
>
> We in Germany used ISOC.DE for more than 15 years now.
> Our official name is " Internet Society, German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V."
> (as entered in the official registry for "Vereine")
>
> We are carrying the "Internet Society" in our name for around 10 years now
> but also ISOC.DE as shortened version .
> Both strings are present in all official lists and directories.
> We are using www.isoc.de as our website for over 15 years now.
>
> Looking at the website statistics for the last 12 months I see:
> From all the people coming to our site using a search engine 40% were
> looking for a variant of ISOC and only 10% were looking for variants of
> "Internet Society"
>
> Keeping ISOC.DE as main domain und continuing with www.isoc.de seems
> appropriate.
> Perhaps adding internetsociety.de (or internet-society.de), if we can
> reach a solution with the current domain-holder,  as an additional entry
> for www may be OK.
> Making it an additional path to our website and keeping isoc.de stable to
> keep all references usable seems an acceptable solution.
>
> My guess is that it will only take another 10 years for "Internetsociety"
> to reach the usage level of ISOC - so enough time to do several more naming
> changes.
>
> But even doing only the small step of an additional domain is costing a
> lot of effort and some money:
>     - acquiring the name by finding an agreement with the current holder
> (possibly using money, taking a lot of personal effort in any case)
>     - doing an official transfer of the domain
>     - paying duties for the new domain
>     - setting up DNS an additional background works to make the domain
> usable
>     - changing the CMS, supporting second name correctly
>     - changing content on the website to use new name in addition to old
>     - changing/extending certificates or buying new ones to reflect the
> new name
>     - changing legal registration
>    -  changing references in many places ...
> And that covers only the web-part.
>
> But the web is not everything.
> We are using ISOCDE for twitter - changing that into
> INTERNETSOCIETYGERMANY would be really ugly (and who likes such long names
> in TWITTER??)
> We are not on facebook - so no problem there
> We are not on Youtube, googlegroups, linkedin, Xing, <name your favorite
> service here> - so no additional problems here
>
> But there is one really huge other area - Ok - it is old fashioned - but I
> and many of our members like it:  EMAIL
>
> Part of our offer to our members is the usage of myname at isoc.de for email
> (a free service to all our members).
> This offered a stable email-address over many years and is realized as a
> forwarding service.
> Several people are using their name at isoc.de address for example to keep a
> constant point of reference, even if they change business affiliation.
> These email-addresses are buried deep into thousands of
> email-address-books, printed on thousands of business cards (yes they still
> exist), stored in million emails in private and public email-archives and
> thousands of archives of discussion/email-lists.
> Rendering all these addresses useless by changing to
> yourname at internetsociety.de is absolutely out of discussion from my point
> of view.
> I will not list all the necessary steps to add another domain to the
> email-forwarding, change the backend-processes doing the automated
> address-generation from our membership.-database, changing all our the
> mailing-lists, changing our business-cards, changing letter-head and and
> and.
>
> So
>   - my conclusion is: we will keep isoc.de as our main domain.
>   - we will continue to discuss if it is worth the effort to add another
> domain and wait for some (slow) change in usage.
>   - we will use isoc.de for our email service and do no change there
>   - we will not shut down isoc.de or stop using it in near future
>
> Hans Peter
>
>
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