[Chapter-delegates] usage of internetsociety and/or isoc in Germany

[Joly MacFie]

+1, and I will look at Xenu.

joly

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Eduardo Diaz
<eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>wrote:

> Our main concern in Puerto Rico is the possible disruption of links to the
> original ISOC web site.
>
> There are many applications out there to do this. We use Xenu.
>
> -ed
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Hans Peter Dittler <
> hpdittler at braintec-consult.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was hesitating to jump into this discussion, but now I will do, even
>> risking some more flaming.
>>
>> I understand the main motivation for the move from www.ISOC.org to
>> www.internetsociety.org.
>> I am not convinced that all of those arguments are true outside the
>> English-Language area - but that needs more discussion and research.
>> The discussion about the main website and the naming of Internet Society
>> should be continued (or started?) in a different thread.
>>
>> Back to our situation in Germany:
>>
>> We in Germany used ISOC.DE for more than 15 years now.
>> Our official name is " Internet Society, German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V."
>> (as entered in the official registry for "Vereine")
>>
>> We are carrying the "Internet Society" in our name for around 10 years
>> now but also ISOC.DE as shortened version .
>> Both strings are present in all official lists and directories.
>> We are using www.isoc.de as our website for over 15 years now.
>>
>> Looking at the website statistics for the last 12 months I see:
>> From all the people coming to our site using a search engine 40% were
>> looking for a variant of ISOC and only 10% were looking for variants of
>> "Internet Society"
>>
>> Keeping ISOC.DE as main domain und continuing with www.isoc.de seems
>> appropriate.
>> Perhaps adding internetsociety.de (or internet-society.de), if we can
>> reach a solution with the current domain-holder,  as an additional entry
>> for www may be OK.
>> Making it an additional path to our website and keeping isoc.de stable
>> to keep all references usable seems an acceptable solution.
>>
>> My guess is that it will only take another 10 years for "Internetsociety"
>> to reach the usage level of ISOC - so enough time to do several more naming
>> changes.
>>
>> But even doing only the small step of an additional domain is costing a
>> lot of effort and some money:
>>     - acquiring the name by finding an agreement with the current holder
>> (possibly using money, taking a lot of personal effort in any case)
>>     - doing an official transfer of the domain
>>     - paying duties for the new domain
>>     - setting up DNS an additional background works to make the domain
>> usable
>>     - changing the CMS, supporting second name correctly
>>     - changing content on the website to use new name in addition to old
>>     - changing/extending certificates or buying new ones to reflect the
>> new name
>>     - changing legal registration
>>    -  changing references in many places ...
>> And that covers only the web-part.
>>
>> But the web is not everything.
>> We are using ISOCDE for twitter - changing that into
>> INTERNETSOCIETYGERMANY would be really ugly (and who likes such long names
>> in TWITTER??)
>> We are not on facebook - so no problem there
>> We are not on Youtube, googlegroups, linkedin, Xing, <name your favorite
>> service here> - so no additional problems here
>>
>> But there is one really huge other area - Ok - it is old fashioned - but
>> I and many of our members like it:  EMAIL
>>
>> Part of our offer to our members is the usage of myname at isoc.de for
>> email (a free service to all our members).
>> This offered a stable email-address over many years and is realized as a
>> forwarding service.
>> Several people are using their name at isoc.de address for example to keep
>> a constant point of reference, even if they change business affiliation.
>> These email-addresses are buried deep into thousands of
>> email-address-books, printed on thousands of business cards (yes they still
>> exist), stored in million emails in private and public email-archives and
>> thousands of archives of discussion/email-lists.
>> Rendering all these addresses useless by changing to
>> yourname at internetsociety.de is absolutely out of discussion from my
>> point of view.
>> I will not list all the necessary steps to add another domain to the
>> email-forwarding, change the backend-processes doing the automated
>> address-generation from our membership.-database, changing all our the
>> mailing-lists, changing our business-cards, changing letter-head and and
>> and.
>>
>> So
>>   - my conclusion is: we will keep isoc.de as our main domain.
>>   - we will continue to discuss if it is worth the effort to add another
>> domain and wait for some (slow) change in usage.
>>   - we will use isoc.de for our email service and do no change there
>>   - we will not shut down isoc.de or stop using it in near future
>>
>> Hans Peter
>>
>>
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