[Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....

Thu Jan 8 21:35:11 PST 2009

S.,

there is no real resemblance between ISOC and the Internet Society of 
China.

One cannot think that there be much of  resemblance between a Netizens 
festival and an ISOC event, when we read in the same week of the festival 
and a step-up on the selectivity with which access to Web content will be 
centrally administrated.

ISOC top management is doing a long-term, serious job in this 
relationship. IMO this is not to be disturbed. Any of us who has ideas of 
how to improve it had better go the bottom-up way in a strictly internal 
fashion.

This discussion is recorded publicly and Web-accessible and I think we can 
be assured that ISOC leadership is reading it as avidly as any other 
interested party (and viceversa.)

I venture the guess that we have a lot of other things to do in which we 
can be a lot more effective and would call our collective attention to any 
number of them - for example, the IGF, discussions on Net Neutrality 
which are being revived in the Internet-governance related lists, the 
upcoming ALAC-ICANN meeting in which many of our chapters are involved, 
the related ISOC chapters meeting in Mexico (also promptly upon us) and 
the many issues on which we chapter delegates have made proggress in 2008 
and need more in 2009.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico

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---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
  Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:40 +0530
> From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
> Cc: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>,
>     George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>     chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>     support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
> 
> Hello Alejandro,
>
> I don't ever feel ashamed to say "I don't know" in matters that complex
> about which I possibly can not know it all.
>
> I don't know.
>
> What I have proposed is a 'proposal', and a proposal gets a little discussed
> to be taken up or thrown away, or modified in parts to shaped into something
> workable. I am not rigid in what I have said about how we should take part -
> We take part as a chapter or leave it entirely to ISOC HQ, who could work on
> this at the Executive level or ask all chapters / some chapters to be
> involved or may decide to leave this completely out of ISOC's purview, in
> which case other independent initiatives such as the One Web Day could do a
> bit of work.
>
> Frank Martin has brought up the issue of Taiwan, on which there is a
> fundamental disagreement. I am vaguely aware of some background on this, but
> what I have proposed is to adopt the attitude "We agree that we disagree,
> and continue talking"
>
> The preferential press coverage is a separate issue that we need to examine
> and analyze separately.
>
> Thank You.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
> <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the relationshipo with the Internet Society of China has a long, complex
>> history. Over time the best approach taht has worked is to delegate fully
>> its management to ISOC HQ, who have done an esteemable job of this complex,
>> sometimes ungrateful task.
>>
>>
>> Franck has mentioned some of the complexities - relationships with other
>> organizations in many countries, etc. - in which even a minor gaffe can
>> complicate things that are otherwise well-managed.
>>
>> Each will arrive to different conclusions. Mine is to communicate bottom-up
>> within ISOC any change someone may desire but still leave the responsibility
>> where it presently resides.
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . .  .  .  .  .  .
>>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>
>> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>>
>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>>  Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>  .
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Franck Martin wrote:
>>
>>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:57:42 +1200 (FJT)
>>> From: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
>>> To: WWWhatsup <joly at punkcast.com>
>>> Cc: George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>>>    chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>>    support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>>
>>> Well as we have a chapter in Taiwan and as we want chapters to commit to
>>> packet freedom...
>>>
>>> There are a few things they cannot sign unto.
>>>
>>> However, I see ISC being more visible than ISOC on many domains. Is it
>>> because the press loves to bash China? or...
>>>
>>> Note that we have a board member from China NIC.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "WWWhatsup" <joly at punkcast.com>
>>> To: "<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> Cc: "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 9:53:44 AM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>> support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>>
>>> I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that there was an extended
>>> engagement in the 90s after
>>> which, ultimately, the Chinese decided to go their own way - the 'Internet
>>> Society of China' being a quasi-government
>>> run body as much concerned with control as propagation.  I do remember
>>> receiving a delegation here in NYC at the time,
>>> very polite and non-committal.
>>>
>>> I've cc'd George Sadowsky - perhaps he could enlighten us?
>>>
>>> joly
>>>
>>> At 03:39 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Joly MacFie posted this message in One Web Day with a disclaimer. His
>>>> message is about the Netizen Cultural Festival to be organized in Beijing.
>>>> Perhaps this would be an occasion to congratulate the 'Internet Society' of
>>>> China and encourage them? We may eventually have to ask them in a nice way
>>>> to name their organization a bit differently and/or welcome them to be a
>>>> part of ISOC, but now this is an occasion for ISOC to congratulate them?
>>>>
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