[Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....

Thu Jan 8 21:51:55 PST 2009

Hello A,

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:

> S.,
>

> ISOC top management is doing a long-term, serious job in this relationship.
> IMO this is not to be disturbed.

I  fully agree.

>
> This discussion is recorded publicly and Web-accessible and I think we can
> be assured that ISOC leadership is reading it as avidly as any other
> interested party (and viceversa.)

Hope whatever I have said was positive and did not disturb the work that
ISOC leadership is doing quietly on the task of avoiding fragmentation.

>
>
> I venture the guess that we have a lot of other things to do in which we
> can be a lot more effective and would call our collective attention to any
> number of them - for example, the IGF, discussions on Net Neutrality which
> are being revived in the Internet-governance related lists, the upcoming
> ALAC-ICANN meeting in which many of our chapters are involved, the related
> ISOC chapters meeting in Mexico (also promptly upon us) and the many issues
> on which we chapter delegates have made proggress in 2008 and need more in
> 2009.

These are priorities for us indeed.

S.

>
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . .  .  .  .  .  .
>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>
> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>
> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>
> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>  Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>  .
>
>
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>
>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:40 +0530
>> From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
>> Cc: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>,
>>
>>    George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>>    chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>    support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>
>> Hello Alejandro,
>>
>> I don't ever feel ashamed to say "I don't know" in matters that complex
>> about which I possibly can not know it all.
>>
>> I don't know.
>>
>> What I have proposed is a 'proposal', and a proposal gets a little
>> discussed
>> to be taken up or thrown away, or modified in parts to shaped into
>> something
>> workable. I am not rigid in what I have said about how we should take part
>> -
>> We take part as a chapter or leave it entirely to ISOC HQ, who could work
>> on
>> this at the Executive level or ask all chapters / some chapters to be
>> involved or may decide to leave this completely out of ISOC's purview, in
>> which case other independent initiatives such as the One Web Day could do
>> a
>> bit of work.
>>
>> Frank Martin has brought up the issue of Taiwan, on which there is a
>> fundamental disagreement. I am vaguely aware of some background on this,
>> but
>> what I have proposed is to adopt the attitude "We agree that we disagree,
>> and continue talking"
>>
>> The preferential press coverage is a separate issue that we need to
>> examine
>> and analyze separately.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
>> <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> the relationshipo with the Internet Society of China has a long, complex
>>> history. Over time the best approach taht has worked is to delegate fully
>>> its management to ISOC HQ, who have done an esteemable job of this
>>> complex,
>>> sometimes ungrateful task.
>>>
>>>
>>> Franck has mentioned some of the complexities - relationships with other
>>> organizations in many countries, etc. - in which even a minor gaffe can
>>> complicate things that are otherwise well-managed.
>>>
>>> Each will arrive to different conclusions. Mine is to communicate
>>> bottom-up
>>> within ISOC any change someone may desire but still leave the
>>> responsibility
>>> where it presently resides.
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . .  .  .  .  .
>>>  .
>>>    Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>>
>>> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>>>
>>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>>
>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>>>  Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>  .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Franck Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:57:42 +1200 (FJT)
>>>
>>>> From: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
>>>> To: WWWhatsup <joly at punkcast.com>
>>>> Cc: George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>>>>   chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>>>   support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>>>
>>>> Well as we have a chapter in Taiwan and as we want chapters to commit to
>>>> packet freedom...
>>>>
>>>> There are a few things they cannot sign unto.
>>>>
>>>> However, I see ISC being more visible than ISOC on many domains. Is it
>>>> because the press loves to bash China? or...
>>>>
>>>> Note that we have a board member from China NIC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "WWWhatsup" <joly at punkcast.com>
>>>> To: "<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <
>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>> Cc: "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 9:53:44 AM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>>> support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that there was an extended
>>>> engagement in the 90s after
>>>> which, ultimately, the Chinese decided to go their own way - the
>>>> 'Internet
>>>> Society of China' being a quasi-government
>>>> run body as much concerned with control as propagation.  I do remember
>>>> receiving a delegation here in NYC at the time,
>>>> very polite and non-committal.
>>>>
>>>> I've cc'd George Sadowsky - perhaps he could enlighten us?
>>>>
>>>> joly
>>>>
>>>> At 03:39 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> Joly MacFie posted this message in One Web Day with a disclaimer. His
>>>>> message is about the Netizen Cultural Festival to be organized in
>>>>> Beijing.
>>>>> Perhaps this would be an occasion to congratulate the 'Internet
>>>>> Society' of
>>>>> China and encourage them? We may eventually have to ask them in a nice
>>>>> way
>>>>> to name their organization a bit differently and/or welcome them to be
>>>>> a
>>>>> part of ISOC, but now this is an occasion for ISOC to congratulate
>>>>> them?
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> Chapter-delegates mailing list
>>>> Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>> Chapter-delegates mailing list
>>> Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-delegates
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> http://twitter.com/isocchennai
>> http://wealthyworld.blogspot.com
>> http://www.circleid.com/members/3601/
>>
>>

-- 
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
http://twitter.com/isocchennai
http://wealthyworld.blogspot.com
http://www.circleid.com/members/3601/
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/attachments/20090109/92b902fb/attachment.htm>