[Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....

Thu Jan 8 20:46:40 PST 2009

Hello Alejandro,

I don't ever feel ashamed to say "I don't know" in matters that complex
about which I possibly can not know it all.

I don't know.

What I have proposed is a 'proposal', and a proposal gets a little discussed
to be taken up or thrown away, or modified in parts to shaped into something
workable. I am not rigid in what I have said about how we should take part -
We take part as a chapter or leave it entirely to ISOC HQ, who could work on
this at the Executive level or ask all chapters / some chapters to be
involved or may decide to leave this completely out of ISOC's purview, in
which case other independent initiatives such as the One Web Day could do a
bit of work.

Frank Martin has brought up the issue of Taiwan, on which there is a
fundamental disagreement. I am vaguely aware of some background on this, but
what I have proposed is to adopt the attitude "We agree that we disagree,
and continue talking"

The preferential press coverage is a separate issue that we need to examine
and analyze separately.

Thank You.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Alejandro Pisanty
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the relationshipo with the Internet Society of China has a long, complex
> history. Over time the best approach taht has worked is to delegate fully
> its management to ISOC HQ, who have done an esteemable job of this complex,
> sometimes ungrateful task.
>
>
> Franck has mentioned some of the complexities - relationships with other
> organizations in many countries, etc. - in which even a minor gaffe can
> complicate things that are otherwise well-managed.
>
> Each will arrive to different conclusions. Mine is to communicate bottom-up
> within ISOC any change someone may desire but still leave the responsibility
> where it presently resides.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Franck Martin wrote:
>
>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:57:42 +1200 (FJT)
>> From: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
>> To: WWWhatsup <joly at punkcast.com>
>> Cc: George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>>    chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>>    support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>
>> Well as we have a chapter in Taiwan and as we want chapters to commit to
>> packet freedom...
>>
>> There are a few things they cannot sign unto.
>>
>> However, I see ISC being more visible than ISOC on many domains. Is it
>> because the press loves to bash China? or...
>>
>> Note that we have a board member from China NIC.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "WWWhatsup" <joly at punkcast.com>
>> To: "<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Cc: "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 9:53:44 AM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>> support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>>
>> I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that there was an extended
>> engagement in the 90s after
>> which, ultimately, the Chinese decided to go their own way - the 'Internet
>> Society of China' being a quasi-government
>> run body as much concerned with control as propagation.  I do remember
>> receiving a delegation here in NYC at the time,
>> very polite and non-committal.
>>
>> I've cc'd George Sadowsky - perhaps he could enlighten us?
>>
>> joly
>>
>> At 03:39 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Joly MacFie posted this message in One Web Day with a disclaimer. His
>>> message is about the Netizen Cultural Festival to be organized in Beijing.
>>> Perhaps this would be an occasion to congratulate the 'Internet Society' of
>>> China and encourage them? We may eventually have to ask them in a nice way
>>> to name their organization a bit differently and/or welcome them to be a
>>> part of ISOC, but now this is an occasion for ISOC to congratulate them?
>>>
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