[Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....

[Franck Martin]

I think we need to encourage talks at various levels between chapters would be chapters, other constituencies etc... beside we cannot stop people from being active ;)

BUT

It must be clear on who you representing. It may escape the people you are talking to, so SPELL IT OUT. If you are ISOC-NY then do not talk for the whole of ISOC (just an example of a chapter) and certainly do not talk for ISOC-HQ. If you want your views to become the views of the whole ISOC, chapter delegates list is a good point to start with.

Cheers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
To: "Franck Martin" <franck at avonsys.com>
Cc: "WWWhatsup" <joly at punkcast.com>, "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>, "chapter-delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
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Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....

Hi,

the relationshipo with the Internet Society of China has a long, complex 
history. Over time the best approach taht has worked is to delegate fully 
its management to ISOC HQ, who have done an esteemable job of this 
complex, sometimes ungrateful task.


Franck has mentioned some of the complexities - relationships with other 
organizations in many countries, etc. - in which even a minor gaffe can 
complicate things that are otherwise well-managed.

Each will arrive to different conclusions. Mine is to communicate 
bottom-up within ISOC any change someone may desire but still leave the 
responsibility where it presently resides.

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Franck Martin wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:57:42 +1200 (FJT)
> From: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
> To: WWWhatsup <joly at punkcast.com>
> Cc: George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>,
>     chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit
>     support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
> 
> Well as we have a chapter in Taiwan and as we want chapters to commit to packet freedom...
>
> There are a few things they cannot sign unto.
>
> However, I see ISC being more visible than ISOC on many domains. Is it because the press loves to bash China? or...
>
> Note that we have a board member from China NIC.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WWWhatsup" <joly at punkcast.com>
> To: "<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Cc: "George Sadowsky" <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 9:53:44 AM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] An occasion to congratulate and commit support to an initiative that is not part of ISOC....
>
> I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that there was an extended engagement in the 90s after
> which, ultimately, the Chinese decided to go their own way - the 'Internet Society of China' being a quasi-government
> run body as much concerned with control as propagation.  I do remember receiving a delegation here in NYC at the time,
> very polite and non-committal.
>
> I've cc'd George Sadowsky - perhaps he could enlighten us?
>
> joly
>
> At 03:39 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> Joly MacFie posted this message in One Web Day with a disclaimer. His message is about the Netizen Cultural Festival to be organized in Beijing. Perhaps this would be an occasion to congratulate the 'Internet Society' of China and encourage them? We may eventually have to ask them in a nice way to name their organization a bit differently and/or welcome them to be a part of ISOC, but now this is an occasion for ISOC to congratulate them?
>>
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