[Chapter-delegates] Chaper Delegates - ISOC is funing IGF
Carlos Vera Q
cvera at interactive.net.ec
Sat Feb 18 07:30:04 PST 2006
Enrique, let's beginning to work together. It should be some points in
common from our chapters and inside ISOC
1. At least one project per a region basis MUST be approved. Region as
small as possible (Andean, Mercosur, Central America, Caribbean, North
America, for example only in America)
2. Funding for travel and participation on international events should
have some rules. i.e ensure that not always only a selected circle of
friends travel all the time to different places and events using the
same money. DIVERSITY is the name of the game. I personally never meet
some people from ISOC because our chapter has no funds for travel and
not always our personal finances allow the "luxury" to travel, meet and
share other´s people experiences.
3. More details must be provided when a project is not approved. What
need to be changed next time? The roll of evaluation committees is to
approve projects BUT they think is to denied projects.
Sometimes we sound like echo in the space. People do not want to face
real challenges and we do not feel well represented on any of ISOC´s
several boards.
Carlos Vera
ISOC Ecuador
Enrique Arrieta Noguera escribió:
> Hi Carlos:
>
> "My concern is that people who evaluate projects for funding seem not
> having time to understand the proposed projects or proponents do not
> understand the concept of evaluators for projects."
>
> I agree with you Carlos. Maybe people on the evaluation committee
> don´t have the time or the filling or maybe are culturally very
> distant from ISOC-Chapters goals and needs. When people at a chapter
> prepare a proposal for funding, they put the heart and soul on it and
> that is why we get so disappointed when our proposals are not approved.
>
> Off course the personal relationship does count. Maybe if you are in
> the evaluation committee and you know me from a long time and know,
> for instance, about the projects that the Colombian chapter have been
> working in from some time, we speak the same mother tongue, like the
> same type of music and many other common things, you might be tempted
> to vote for a YES on your committee on my chapter proposal.
>
> This is the reason why people from Chapters outside Washington and
> Genève should make an effort to get into the BoT, and funding
> committees, so it gets more diversified, and we get more to say at
> decision making time.
>
> I would like to take the opportunity to propose you and
> colleagues from other Latin-American chapters to get together and talk
> to each other in order to explore what type of projects we can work
> together to present a joint-chapters proposal for the next round, in
> order to increase our approval probabilities.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Enrique Arrieta Noguera
> President
> ISOC-Colombia
> Bogotá, Colombia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Vera Q" <cvera at interactive.net.ec
> <mailto:cvera at interactive.net.ec>>
> To: "Desiree Miloshevic" <dmiloshevic at afilias.info
> <mailto:dmiloshevic at afilias.info>>
> Cc: "isoc Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chaper Delegates - ISOC is funing IGF
>
> > Dear all:
> >
> > My concern is that people who evaluate projects for funding seem not
> > having time to understand the proposed projects or proponents do not
> > understand the concept of evaluators for projects.
> >
> > We strongly believe in one project when propose it. Most of the
> times we
> > see the same or similar project that seems to work when proposed for
> one
> > chapter-country and seems not to work (in evaluator mind) when proposed
> > for less developing chapters from less developing countries. Simple
> > maths again, count funds for projects and where they go.
> >
> > For most of us is almost impossible participate in events or
> > international meetings because of lack of funds..and this increase our
> > gap between members or with others members. All our work is on line,
> > from our room or closet. Funds should be used to empower chapters to
> > create virtuoso circles. Is not a mystery that a good proposal is
> better
> > if you have friends inside evaluation teams. So a good opportunity
> comes
> > if you meet people and share experiences with them.
> >
> > I'm not complaining but those are simple maths and facts.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > Desiree Miloshevic escribió:
> >> Veni and Carlos,
> >> Just to set the record straight.
> >> Veni was also one of the members of the ISOC funding projects
> committee, in the first phase, including other Trustees and the staff.
> >> In the second phase, I remember that ISOC BG put forward few very
> good proposals. The committee decided to fund one of ISOC BG projects,
> which indeed, was not the IG one, but one that was multi-disciplinary
> one, helping local community in Bulgaria.
> >> And yes, chapters could become very active in promoting the ( 75
> dollars) individual membership within ISOC.
> >> This particular IGF funding in question here, was not part of the
> funding project committee work.
> >> Hope this helps,
> >> Desiree--
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Carlos,the work of the IGF is important, and ISOC - inmy
> opinion - has properly contributed to theTrust Fund. ISOC-Bulgaria is
> also participatingthere - see www.isoc.bg/ig <http://www.isoc.bg/ig>
> and we have managed todo some fundraising, although ISOC decided not
> tosupport our project in the 2005 round of funding projects.
> >> Chapters have a program, under which they canapply for funding from
> ISOC. Again, it's myunderstanding that they should be getting
> morefunding for projects. Still, in 2005 there was $150,000 for
> projects, and in 2006 the budget saysthere may be $ 50,000 more, e.g.
> see page 33 ofhttp://www.isoc.org/isoc/SOP-Part2.pdfI think chapters
> and individual members could getnot a straight amount, but a
> percentage of thePIR contribution to ISOC budget - the same wayIETF
> gets funding from some of the org members.
> >> However, if you want the chapters to contributemore, they can do
> that in several different ways:for exmaple some of them may decide to
> promotethe paid membership to ISOC ($ 75 / year), andput together the
> missing 500 such members, whowill then be allowed to elect Board
> Trustees. Asyou can understand, simple math shows that todaythe
> Board's majority is elected by org membersand the IETF, and individual
> users / chaptershave only 3 Trustees. If you want to change theBoard
> policy, that's one of the legitimate ways.
> >> I hope you don't have doubts that we're tryinghard to change the
> policy with all we can, butit's not that eays - trust me on that.
> >> Best,Veni
> >> At 07:46 AM 14.2.2006 '?.'ЪЪ┬Ж -0500, Carlos Vera Q wrote:
> >> >>It would be great to know who will benefit from this funding!!
> Not the >>Isoc Chapters it seems >> >>Carlos Vera Quintana >>ISOC
> Ecuador >> >>Franck Martin escribiС: > >>> >
> http://www.intgovforum.org/funding.htm >>> > >>> > >>> > Funding
> >>> > >>> > The following donors have made pledges or contributed to
> the Trust Fund : >>> > >>> > - Swiss Agency for Development and
> Cooperation (SDC >>> > <http://www.sdc.admin.ch/>) >>> > >>> > -
> Ministry of Economic Affairs of The Netherlands >>> >
> <http://www.minez.nl/content.jsp?objectid=21438> >>> > >>> > - Nominet
> UK <http://www.nominet.org.uk/> >>> > >>> > - The Swiss Education and
> Research Network (SWITCH <http://www.switch.ch/>) >>> > >>> > - The
> Internet Society (ISOC <http://www.isoc.org>) >>> > >>> > >>> >
> In-kind contributions were received by: >>> > >>> > - The United
> Nations Office in Geneva (UNOG <http://www.unog.ch/> >>> > >>> > > >>
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