[chapter-delegates] New Membership Level

[Carlos Vera]

Well we have an election on going now and more elections on going comming 
soon..

So we should ensure who we elect and who will represent us in every ISOC 
instance. Of course ensure that Chapters are driven by chapters not for 
members in chapters ( I mean some X chapter can send 251 cheques and take 
control of ISOC) so one chapter one vote... for example..

This can be a really good time to ask several candidates to write their 
action plan so we can vote and control their work....

Carlos Vera Quintana


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard StClair" <stclair at niue.nu>
To: <chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] New Membership Level


>
> I think this pretty much sums up what I was thinking. ;-)
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:09, Władek Majewski wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>>> I want to say clearly that the new membership level is a benefit that 
>>> ISOC is offering and it is completely separate from the benefits that 
>>> Chapters offer.
>>
>> No, it is NOT separate.
>>
>> First, you decided to disregard all chapter members and display your 
>> disdain to all of us by labeling us "associate".
>>
>> Second, you just let us know that our work and commitment to ISOC has a 
>> price which is estimated to be well below $75/year. All we do can buy us 
>> only a  "associate" membership which does not make us a trusted enough to 
>> be entitled to vote. OTOH anyone who sends your way a mere $18.825 gets a 
>> right to directly nominate his representative to ISOC BoT immediately 
>> after he signs 251 cheques for $75 each.
>>
>> Third, it is all about money for ISOC staff. Every organisational 
>> "member" gets not only the right to vote for BoT representative (the more 
>> you pay, the more voting power you buy) but as a bonus there are a 
>> "complimentary" private memberships to give a company as way to influence 
>> a choice of representatives of individual members.
>>
>> Fourth, the first direct result of new membership level will be dilution 
>> of  a chapter position in their country or area. Every prospective ISOC 
>> member will have a choice: to join chapter and pay chapter's membership 
>> fees, to join ISOC directly and pay your fee or to join both and pay two 
>> separate bills as we would be a two completely separate entities.
>>
>> > we do not expect Chapters to actively sell ISOC memberships.
>>
>> How can we promote chapter's membership without promotion of ISOC 
>> membership as well?
>>
>> Currently cost of our marketing efforts must be covered by harvested 
>> members fees. In future chapter will be responsible for all promotional 
>> spendings and efforts but you will collect 5 times higher fees.
>>
>> > our principal focus is growing Chapters and their membership.
>>
>> The whole idea is so inflamatory that it is clear that intention is to 
>> get rid of chapters and free members.
>>
>>> Certainly you should make your members aware that it is there and point 
>>> them to the ISOC web site for details
>>
>> Certainly we will make our members aware that direct ISOC membership is 
>> intended to limit chapter's position by "divide and rule" style of 
>> imperial policy.
>>
>>> For example, the membership system is about supporting Chapters
>>
>> Really? Which way it is going to be usuable for chapters?
>>
>>> Finally, a few people have called for ISOC to withdraw the new paying 
>>> membership level.
>>
>> Yes, it is the last moment to do it.
>>
>>> Chapters will suffer if members join ISOC instead of Chapters
>>
>> Would you dare to deny it?
>>
>>> growing and supporting Chapters and the Associate Members that go with 
>>> them is a top priority of ISOC.
>>
>> What will you offer us?
>>
>>> continue to do the job they are doing without being burdened by an ISOC 
>>> fee.
>>
>> We will be more than happy to share our revenues with ISOC headquaters to 
>> the same extend to which ISOC proved its readiness to share its revenues 
>> with us.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Wladyslaw Majewski
>> ISOC Polska
>>
>>
>>
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