[chapter-delegates] Hosting Request - A PROPOSAL

[Carlos Vera]

Dear All. We receive the generous offer from Gene and decline it because as 
I explain to Gene, we receive a huge amazing offer for free hosting from a 
brother chapter.

Sometimes it's not only a matter of to have or not to have money. SOme 
members of our chapter can also save some money and support the hosting. But 
this is not the magic of international network cooperation.

Cooperation and being a real network is what we are looking for. Take 
something from somebody and give something to somebody. I fully agree con 
Gene, ISOC chapters preferible has to contract the service.. of course with 
some extra functionalities ie. cgi, php-mysql, mambo support, pop accounts, 
moodle support, and more... In the same way basic dial up internet 
connection is no real internet connection (we need wide band) some basic 
packages are not appropiatte and only put restrictions to the real work to 
be done in chapters and ISOC.

Carlos Vera Quintana


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Gaines" <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com>
To: "James M Galvin" <galvin at elistx.com>
Cc: <chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] Hosting Request - A PROPOSAL


> Jim.
>
> No.  I keep hearing over and over and over again.
> "We're already ahead of you..."  (below)
>
> Frankly, I am past tired hearing that from ISOC.
>
> My wife will be arriving home from work in another
> 20 minutes and we will be going out to dinner.  She
> had a hard day today, and I plan to take her out
> for a quiet supper.
>
> I will not have desert, and will not have coffee.
> That will save the US$6.00 that can pay for hosting
> for ISOC Ecuador for two months.  If I skip that
> desert and coffee six times in the next year, that
> will pay for a year's hosting at a first-rate hosting
> company.
>
> When I come home from supper, I will make the offer
> to ISOC Ecuador to pay for their hosting for the next
> year. I hope the chapter will accept, because that
> will be more pleasure for me than the desert and
> coffee.
>
> PLEASE consider abandoning the Hq. effort to develop
> an internal web hosting service, templates, update
> facilities, etc. etc.  That can be purchased very
> cheaply.  It will be reliable.  It will be open.
> It can be contracted for and implemented immediately.
> The last thing chapters want is a template created
> by ISOC Hq.
>
> This way of thinking that everything must be done
> in the Wiehle Avenue building is a serious flaw in
> ISOC Hq. thinking.
>
> If you wish to discuss this privately, my phone
> number is +1 703-433-2081.
>
> Gene
> gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2005, 3:38:08 PM, James wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>
>> Great suggestion.  We're already ahead of you, to the extent we have
>> talked about this for some time and it is on our list of things to do.
>
>> Currently, ISOC is undergoing a transition of its IT infrastructure.
>> Carefully, of course, so as not to disrupt any services.  The schedule is
>> spread out over the next two months in fact.
>
>> Once that's complete, we have had on our list of things to offer to
>> Chapters a template web site.  Something on the order of a half-dozen or
>> so 'standard' pages is what we've talked about, mostly internally but
>> we've chatted with a few Chapters about it.
>
>> We really haven't worked out all the details.  One important issue is how
>> to support Chapters updating their web site, but there's plenty of
>> technology available to do this so we just have to pick something that
>> works for us.
>
>> When the time comes to make this happen there will be more to say and we
>> will certainly make sure that the Chapters are aware and can contribute
>> to the decision.
>
>> In the meantime, I think Carlos' need is more immediate, so he may want
>> to investigate the free services suggested by others.
>
>> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>> --On Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:24 PM -0500 Gene Gaines
>> <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> A question to all.
>>>
>>> See inquiry from Carlos Vera Quintana, ISOC Equador (below).
>>>
>>> ISOC Headquarters is asking for projects that can be funded for
>>> chapters.
>>>
>>> Would it be appropriate to request funds to pay for the web
>>> hosting for a limited number of chapters?
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>>   Small ISOC chapters do not need large resources,
>>>   for example this should be sufficient for each account:
>>>
>>>     - 500 MB disk space.
>>>     - 25,000 MB monthly traffic.
>>>     - 100 email accounts, with webmail, spam and
>>>           virus filtering,  and 10 MB disk space each.
>>>     - 50 email forwarding accounts.
>>>     - Hosted on Linux system.
>>>     - 1 MySQL database.
>>>     - PHP support.
>>>
>>> Can be purchased for $40/year from reliable hosting companies.
>>>
>>> So, total cost for 10 chapters would be only US$400/year.
>>> Or, total cost for 20 chapters would be only US$800/year.
>>>
>>> I see this as just a small step in the right direction.
>>>
>>> My thought would be to make available to chapters in the
>>> most economically-disadvantaged areas, to those chapters
>>> most in need.
>>>
>>> Chapter selection for this support would be by consensus of
>>> members of the chapter-delegates list, with the advice of
>>> the ISOC Chapters Vice President and Membership Director.
>>>
>>> Just an idea.  Good or bad?
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 11:35:43 PM, Carlos wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear ISOC members. I'm wondering if some organization can offer some
>>> > hosting facilities for our site www.isoc.org.ec  (facilities mean for
>>> > free)
>>>
>>> > Any recomendation would be welcomed.
>>>
>>> > Carlos Vera Quintana
>>>
>>>
>>> >
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