[chapter-delegates] New Membership Level

[Carlos Vera]

Dear Rudi: We volunteer, organize events, work to survive.

Associate membership is as the name say: Associate no full member so IT'S A 
MUST to discuss about it.

When you make this kind of differences you have soon or later first class 
members and second class members.

Also it's time to work on an individual representation in the board where at 
least every ISOC Chapter can vote and count to make its decissions really 
democratic. (Use internet to vote and discuss)

When you have to survive with USD 1 or less a whole day, your understand why 
is important to maintein representation and spaces free of money 
contamination.

Representation does not mean MONEY or FEES. That's why the entire world have 
something wrong.

Carlos




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vansnick Rudi" <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
To: "'Carlos Vera'" <cvera at interactive.net.ec>; "'Patrick Vande Walle'" 
<patrick at isoc.lu>; <chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [chapter-delegates] New Membership Level


> Dear Carlos,
>
> How does your chapter survive without fees ?
> Do you have private sponsors ?
>
> There is still the possibility of associate membership WITHOUT 
> membershipfee, so
> I do not understand why we are discussing this so long.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos Vera [mailto:cvera at interactive.net.ec]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:26 PM
>> To: Patrick Vande Walle; chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
>> Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] New Membership Level
>>
>>
>> Dear Patrick collecting local fees is contrary to some
>> chapter policies. We
>> at ISOC Ecuador has a policy NO MEMBERSHIP FEES.
>>
>> Carlos
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick at isoc.lu>
>> To: <chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] New Membership Level
>>
>>
>> > Carlos Vera wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Carlos,
>> >
>> >> 1. Next step is to stablish a relation between voting and
>> membership.
>> >> (more members more voting or in other words more USD $$ means more
>> >> representation)
>> >
>> > Paying members will get one directly elected board member when the
>> > number
>> > of paying members reaches 500. This is not going to happen
>> anytime soon
>> > IMHO. And even if it did, there cannot be more than 3 board members
>> > elected by this "constituency" (for lack of a better word)
>> >
>> >> 2. Paid membership means I get something for my money.
>> >
>> > We had this debate at the Board. The idea was that some
>> people might
>> > be
>> > willing to give a small (by US/European standards) amount
>> to ISOC, as they
>> > would to say, the Red Cross or another NGO, without
>> expecting a direct
>> > return on their investment. Until now, they did not have
>> that opportunity.
>> >
>> >> 3. There are ways to be creative and make a real chapter
>> development
>> >> inside ISOC using income from projects like PIR.
>> >
>> > This is the goal of the Chapter projects funding to be
>> announced soon.
>> >
>> >> There are lot of examples where such type of income is
>> used to cover
>> >> administrative expenses, luxury hotels and first class
>> travel... and
>> >> finally what drop from table is used for real work.
>> >
>> > Carlos, I can assure you that no-one within ISOC travels
>> first class
>> > or
>> > has such-like advantages.
>> >
>> > As for the impact of the paying membership, the 2005 budget
>> says it is
>> > less that 1% and again this looks optimistic to me.
>> > http://www.isoc.org/isoc/fin/ISOC2005budget.pdf
>> >
>> > As for the suggestion of Olivier, I like the idea of
>> collecting fees
>> > at
>> > the local level and give a percentage to ISOC, although the
>> logistics make
>> > the effiency of such a process difficult.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
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