[chapter-delegates] Re: ISOC Annual Report 2003

[Gene Gaines]

Alejandro,

This is good.

Gene
gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com

On Saturday, June 4, 2005, 9:36:24 PM, Alejandro wrote:

> Franck, Gene, and all,

> though indeed ISOC's voice does not resonate loudly through the world, key
> players in WGIG/WSIS do listen to it. Be it said too that I don't mean
> "friends", some of these people react like oysters in lemon: to the
> denunciation of "top-down thinking", to the insistence that the Internet
> is not telecommunications, to the support for top-down, multistakeholder,
> etc. approaches. So the statements are welcome and also have an effect.

> That we do want to see more of that is the reason of my sending the WGIG
> interim report to this list. Can we have a discussion about its substance,
> environment, alternate proposals, alternate reasoning?

> FYI ISOC is a sector member of the ITU (a step seen as risky by many, as
> there is scant if any reciprocity in this very asymmetric arrangement), a
> UN-recognized NGO, etc., ie it has a lot of relationships like the ones
> you wish for. Further in the last few months we have had a renewed and
> intensified round of contacts between RIRs, ccTLDs, IETFers, ICANNites,
> ALACers, and so on, which have given rise to discreet but effective
> presence and influence in diverse international forums.

> Unfortunately at that time the chapters list was focussed on other
> subjects. 

> Can we synchronize to the urgent, clear and present matter at hand?

> Alejandro Pisanty


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> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Franck Martin wrote:

>> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:33:47 +1200
>> From: Franck Martin <franck at sopac.org>
>> To: Gene Gaines <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com>
>> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>,
>>      Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>, Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>,
>>      chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org, Vinton G. Cerf <vinton.g.cerf at mci.com>
>> Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] Re: ISOC Annual Report 2003
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I think it is too late for ISOC to be recognised during the WSIS. These
>> kind of meetings need long term preparation and active lobbying...
>> 
>> However, these are some actions which could be useful for now and the
>> future (because WSIS is just a wake up call)
>> 
>> -Go to New York, go to the see the various representations of all the
>> countries and ask apointments with the various country representatives,
>> brief them on what is ISOC its positions, highlights the chapters which
>> are in these countries, give point of contacts.
>> -Ask the New York chapter to be active with the UN body, ask the New
>> York chapter who they know, how can ISOC Central and the New York
>> chapter work together to make the above happen.
>> -Do exactly the same with the Geneva Chapter with WTO, Red Cross, ITU
>> -Do exactly the same with the Paris/France Chapter with UNESCO and OCDE
>> 
>> Target small countries rather than big ones, the representative are
>> dying to have partners, be recognised, they are more approchable and
>> overall they have the same vote in the UN as the US.
>> 
>> You will cover here the grounds for all major UN bodies and countries.
>> 
>> But there is more.
>> 
>> -I have spoken about it long time ago on the IETF, get the IETF RFC a
>> registered trade mark by ISOC. Get a a nice logo "This software is build
>> on IETF RFCs". I'm not talking about compliance here, but that the
>> software vendor is commited to follow RFCs.  Talk to the organisational
>> members so that they can put this logo on their software packages. When
>> the public see these logos, they will know where the technology come
>> from. You need exposure
>> -The IETF newletter for dummies is a real step forward, can't wait to
>> see it.
>> 
>> -Make a short statement that every body agrees to and put it as an ad in
>> the major newspaper in geneva during the next prepcom meeting and
>> finally in Tunis. People read newspapers...
>> 
>> -Get the chapters working on submitting papers to ISOC Central on a
>> particular subject, collate them all in one paper and put an 
>> introduction to it. Use that to reflect the various views of ISOC.
>> 
>> -Make ISOC become member or or accredited with several organisations:
>> IEEE, ITU, WTO, World Bank, Asian Development Bank, ICANN, UN, UNESCO,...
>> 
>> I will think on some more, but this is what comes to mind...
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Gene Gaines wrote:
>> 
>> >All,
>> >
>> >Excellent thoughts from Veni and Alejandro.
>> >
>> >The WGIG and WSIS outcomes will have fundamental impacts on
>> >the Internet and its future.
>> >
>> >Here my thoughts, I rush to say not-well-informed on these
>> >issues.
>> >
>> >My several friends in the U.S. who are working hard on these
>> >efforts tell me that ISOC is not a factor, appears not to be
>> >heard from, not seen in the meetings.  Their perception
>> >(right or wrong) is that ISOC is not one of the hard-working
>> >NGO groups that are fighting to be heard.
>> >
>> >If this perception is true, then ISOC crafting more statements
>> >at this point is not likely to add significantly to all that
>> >has been said by others to date.
>> >
>> >How to find another approach?
>> >
>> >First _listen_ to the players and what they have had to say,
>> >what they have written, what they perceive as their problems,
>> >and all that has been happening in Geneva and other places.
>> >
>> >This means USA-thinking ISOC listening to what European and
>> >other ISOC chapters, and listening to other NGO groups.
>> >
>> >Then make the effort to pick what is good in the work of others,
>> >and put ISOC efforts into supporting the good efforts.
>> >
>> >ISOC will be heard, and ISOC then can make a difference.
>> >
>> >How can we help?  Would it be useful to have a meeting in
>> >Washington DC to hear the some differing view of a few people
>> >in Washington, and to ask others active in WSIS to email or
>> >video us their statements on WGIG-WSIS issues and their take
>> >on what has been happening?
>> >
>> >Lynn was in Cairo, many ISOC chapters have all the contacts
>> >needed.  The first step is to let everyone know that ISOC Hq.
>> >is listening and want to help.  The DC Chapter can organize the
>> >meeting; ISOC Hq. people should do the contacting and chair the
>> >meeting.
>> >
>> >Does this make sense?
>> >
>> >Gene Gaines
>> >gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
>> >VP DCISOC - Washington DC USA
>> >
>> >
>> >On Saturday, June 4, 2005, 3:59:02 PM, Alejandro wrote:
>> >
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>> >>Veni,
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>> >
>> >>let's move forward in discussing the WGIG output and build, instead of
>> >>discussing the roots of perceived failure, the role of ISOC in WSIS and
>> >>post-WSIS.
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>> >
>> >>History will distill - if it cares - what was done generously and who was
>> >>self-serving. Deeds will speak more than words. The third person will
>> >>speak more than the first.
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>> >
>> >>Alejandro Pisanty
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>> Franck Martin
>> franck at sopac.org
>> "Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question"
>> G. Bachelard
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