[chapter-delegates] Re: ISOC Annual Report 2003

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Franck, Gene, and all,

though indeed ISOC's voice does not resonate loudly through the world, key 
players in WGIG/WSIS do listen to it. Be it said too that I don't mean 
"friends", some of these people react like oysters in lemon: to the 
denunciation of "top-down thinking", to the insistence that the Internet 
is not telecommunications, to the support for top-down, multistakeholder, 
etc. approaches. So the statements are welcome and also have an effect.

That we do want to see more of that is the reason of my sending the WGIG 
interim report to this list. Can we have a discussion about its substance, 
environment, alternate proposals, alternate reasoning?

FYI ISOC is a sector member of the ITU (a step seen as risky by many, as 
there is scant if any reciprocity in this very asymmetric arrangement), a 
UN-recognized NGO, etc., ie it has a lot of relationships like the ones 
you wish for. Further in the last few months we have had a renewed and 
intensified round of contacts between RIRs, ccTLDs, IETFers, ICANNites, 
ALACers, and so on, which have given rise to discreet but effective 
presence and influence in diverse international forums.

Unfortunately at that time the chapters list was focussed on other 
subjects. 

Can we synchronize to the urgent, clear and present matter at hand?

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Franck Martin wrote:

> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:33:47 +1200
> From: Franck Martin <franck at sopac.org>
> To: Gene Gaines <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com>
> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>,
>      Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>, Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>,
>      chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org, Vinton G. Cerf <vinton.g.cerf at mci.com>
> Subject: Re: [chapter-delegates] Re: ISOC Annual Report 2003
> 
> All,
> 
> I think it is too late for ISOC to be recognised during the WSIS. These 
> kind of meetings need long term preparation and active lobbying...
> 
> However, these are some actions which could be useful for now and the 
> future (because WSIS is just a wake up call)
> 
> -Go to New York, go to the see the various representations of all the 
> countries and ask apointments with the various country representatives, 
> brief them on what is ISOC its positions, highlights the chapters which 
> are in these countries, give point of contacts.
> -Ask the New York chapter to be active with the UN body, ask the New 
> York chapter who they know, how can ISOC Central and the New York 
> chapter work together to make the above happen.
> -Do exactly the same with the Geneva Chapter with WTO, Red Cross, ITU
> -Do exactly the same with the Paris/France Chapter with UNESCO and OCDE
> 
> Target small countries rather than big ones, the representative are 
> dying to have partners, be recognised, they are more approchable and 
> overall they have the same vote in the UN as the US.
> 
> You will cover here the grounds for all major UN bodies and countries.
> 
> But there is more.
> 
> -I have spoken about it long time ago on the IETF, get the IETF RFC a 
> registered trade mark by ISOC. Get a a nice logo "This software is build 
> on IETF RFCs". I'm not talking about compliance here, but that the 
> software vendor is commited to follow RFCs.  Talk to the organisational 
> members so that they can put this logo on their software packages. When 
> the public see these logos, they will know where the technology come 
> from. You need exposure
> -The IETF newletter for dummies is a real step forward, can't wait to 
> see it.
> 
> -Make a short statement that every body agrees to and put it as an ad in 
> the major newspaper in geneva during the next prepcom meeting and 
> finally in Tunis. People read newspapers...
> 
> -Get the chapters working on submitting papers to ISOC Central on a 
> particular subject, collate them all in one paper and put an 
> introduction to it. Use that to reflect the various views of ISOC.
> 
> -Make ISOC become member or or accredited with several organisations: 
> IEEE, ITU, WTO, World Bank, Asian Development Bank, ICANN, UN, UNESCO,...
> 
> I will think on some more, but this is what comes to mind...
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Gene Gaines wrote:
> 
> >All,
> >
> >Excellent thoughts from Veni and Alejandro.
> >
> >The WGIG and WSIS outcomes will have fundamental impacts on
> >the Internet and its future.
> >
> >Here my thoughts, I rush to say not-well-informed on these
> >issues.
> >
> >My several friends in the U.S. who are working hard on these
> >efforts tell me that ISOC is not a factor, appears not to be
> >heard from, not seen in the meetings.  Their perception
> >(right or wrong) is that ISOC is not one of the hard-working
> >NGO groups that are fighting to be heard.
> >
> >If this perception is true, then ISOC crafting more statements
> >at this point is not likely to add significantly to all that
> >has been said by others to date.
> >
> >How to find another approach?
> >
> >First _listen_ to the players and what they have had to say,
> >what they have written, what they perceive as their problems,
> >and all that has been happening in Geneva and other places.
> >
> >This means USA-thinking ISOC listening to what European and
> >other ISOC chapters, and listening to other NGO groups.
> >
> >Then make the effort to pick what is good in the work of others,
> >and put ISOC efforts into supporting the good efforts.
> >
> >ISOC will be heard, and ISOC then can make a difference.
> >
> >How can we help?  Would it be useful to have a meeting in
> >Washington DC to hear the some differing view of a few people
> >in Washington, and to ask others active in WSIS to email or
> >video us their statements on WGIG-WSIS issues and their take
> >on what has been happening?
> >
> >Lynn was in Cairo, many ISOC chapters have all the contacts
> >needed.  The first step is to let everyone know that ISOC Hq.
> >is listening and want to help.  The DC Chapter can organize the
> >meeting; ISOC Hq. people should do the contacting and chair the
> >meeting.
> >
> >Does this make sense?
> >
> >Gene Gaines
> >gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
> >VP DCISOC - Washington DC USA
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, June 4, 2005, 3:59:02 PM, Alejandro wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Veni,
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> >  
> >
> >>let's move forward in discussing the WGIG output and build, instead of
> >>discussing the roots of perceived failure, the role of ISOC in WSIS and
> >>post-WSIS.
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> >
> >>History will distill - if it cares - what was done generously and who was
> >>self-serving. Deeds will speak more than words. The third person will
> >>speak more than the first.
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> >
> >>Alejandro Pisanty
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