[ih] Internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4

[odlyzko at umn.edu]

Yes, PTTs were definitely trying to preserve their monopolies.
But I am pretty sure that if the Internet had not come out
when it did, what the public sees and does would have turned
out pretty much the same, but delayed a couple of years.
The tide of digital communication was rising (as it has been
rising for hundreds of years), as I documented in my 2000
manuscript "The history of communications and its implications
for the Internet,"

     https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/history.communications0.pdf

and could not be restrained for long.

Andrew





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> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 09:52:38 -0400
> From: John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net>
> To: Vint Cerf via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: [ih] Fwd:  OSI and alternate reality
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>> From: John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [ih] OSI and alternate reality
>> Date: March 15, 2024 at 09:45:07 EDT
>> To: Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
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>> These were all crap.  X.25/X.75/X.29 were all trying to preserve the PTT monopoly.
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>> The PTTs never got (and still don?t) that this was all about dynamic resource allocation, not static allocation.
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>> X.400 was far too complex.  X.500 was trying to be the white pages and the yellow pages, when all that was necessary was a simple protocol that mapped application names to network addresses.
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>> These were all illustrate how the PTTs didn?t get what was going on.
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>> The mistake OSI made was inviting to do the work jointly with CCITT (ITU). However, given that there was no telecom deregulation even being talked about in Europe the Europeans felt they had no choice, especially given the interference they had already shown with EIN and EURONET.
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>> The Europeans proved to be their own best enemy.
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>> Take care,
>> John
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>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 09:34, Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>>> On 15/03/2024 10:19, David Sitman via Internet-history wrote:
>>>> Would we have seen the same rapid and universal adoption of computer
>>>> networking with OSI? Could the Web have flourished? Would address space and
>>>> security issues be alleviated? Would "OSI on Everything" have become a meme?
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>>> Having actually used X.3, X.21, X.25, X.400, X.500... sorry, let me re-phrase this... having actually struggled with the aforementioned X. based services and also programmed stacks according to these protocols a loooong time ago, my prediction of a Green Internet based on computing networking with OSI would be resumed as this:
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>>> Kindest regards,
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>>> Olivier
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