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[Greg Skinner]

On Jan 20, 2024, at 3:53 PM, Greg Skinner via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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> On Jan 20, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Greg Skinner via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 11:17 AM, Craig Partridge <craig at tereschau.net> wrote:
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>>>> There is a file in the ietf-ftp directory called 1990-all that contains ietf list messages from 1990. [3] Offhand, I don’t know of any earlier complete ietf list.  I hope such a list can be retrieved, because there are some things I would like to reread, such as the discussions that took place during the mid-1980s about Internet congestion that eventually led to Van Jacobson’s TCP modifications, RFCs, etc.
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>>> Most of Van's long thoughful notes went to the End2End mailing list (though some went to the TCP-IP mailing list).  I'm not close to the right computer today, but I believe I archived the key ones.  As I recall, I created a "best of Van" archive for Rich Stevens when he was writing "TCP-IP Illustrated '' because in some of those notes Van sought to give readers an intuition about the dynamics he was seeing and Rich was trying to do something similar in his book.  And some of Van's preliminary (aka in progress) reports on TCP improvements can be found in the meeting reports from early IETF meetings (on the IETF site).
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>>> Thanks!
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>>> Craig
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>> I found a post from you in Google Groups sent to the tcp-ip list introduced with the following: [1]
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>> "Here's my collection of some of Van's notable postings. If folks have others
>> they think are particularly notable, could they forward copies to me?”
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>> There was another “best of Van” collection that I think was put together by Bob Braden taken from either the ietf or end2end lists from around 1987-1988.  I thought I bookmarked it.  If I find it, I’ll post a link to it.
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>> —gregbo
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>> [1] https://groups.google.com/g/comp.protocols.tcp-ip/c/yRhIox36ot0
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> I found some of what I was looking for.  The LBNL Network Research Group (NRG) Email page [1] contains a link to the Van Jacobson Classic messages on fast recovery/retransmit [2], provided by Bob Braden.  Some of the links are also available on Rich Stevens’ home page. [3]
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> —gregbo
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> [1] https://ee.lbl.gov/nrg-email.html
> [2] https://ee.lbl.gov/tcp.html
> [3] http://www.kohala.com/start/
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Some of the links from [3] may be broken.  If so, try the links from the Internet Archive’s April 1999 snapshot of Rich Stevens’ home page. [4]

—gregbo

[4] https://web.archive.org/web/19990424095341/http://www.kohala.com/%7Erstevens/