[ih] Email reliability
Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 11:17:38 PST 2024
Jack,
The headers of your message as delivered to me include:
List-Unsubscribe: <https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/options/internet-history>,
<mailto:internet-history-request at elists.isoc.org?subject=unsubscribe>
It's up to your mail reading software to support this or not. John Levine is something of a subject matter expert on this.
Regards
Brian Carpenter
On 15-Jan-24 07:57, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> True. But ISOC doesn't seem to follow this requirement (from the
> Amazon blog announcement):
>
> "Bulk senders are expected to include a mechanism to unsubscribe by
> adding an easy to find link within the message. The February 2024
> mailbox provider rules will require senders to additionally add
> one-click unsubscribe headers as defined by RFC 2369
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2369> and RFC 8058
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058>."
>
> At least I don't see any "unsubscribe" header...perhaps that rule won't
> be enforced at first. We'll see...
>
> Jack
>
>
> On 1/14/24 10:43, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>> Jack,
>>
>> Note that this list (Internet History) already properly rewrites the
>> headers to be conformant with the anti-spam rules. I believe that's
>> true for all ISOC-based lists.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:33 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history
>> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> It will likely reduce spam, but also disrupt real email - in
>> particular
>> any email that travels using any mailing list (like this one). The
>> effect comes not from the new rules for "bulk senders", but rather
>> from
>> the mail servers changes to their filters for handling incoming mail,
>> especially the rules that classify mail travelling through mailing
>> lists
>> as inherently suspicious.
>>
>> From Amazon's blog announcement:
>>
>> "For example, /gmail.com/ <http://gmail.com/> will be publishing a
>> quarantine DMARC policy,
>> which means that unauthorized messages claiming to be from Gmail
>> will be
>> sent to Junk folders." It's likely that yahoo and others are taking
>> similar steps, effective sometime in the next month or so.
>> Depending on
>> exactly how they set it up, the effect might be that all email
>> from any
>> mailing list will be automatically classed as spam, or even just
>> silently deleted.
>>
>> I suspect lots of "mailing lists" will sustain such "collateral
>> damage". Anyone who sends or receives their email using a gmail or
>> yahoo address will likely discover that they are effectively cut off
>> from using this list (and probably others).
>>
>> I'm on several mailing lists (isoc, groups.io <http://groups.io>,
>> googlegroups, ...) and
>> haven't seen announcements from any of them about imminent
>> changes. Nor
>> have the "email providers" (yahoo, gmail, etc.) said anything about
>> their plans' effects on mailing lists or groups. Perhaps they're just
>> not aware of what's happening?...
>>
>> Jack Haverty
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/24 02:56, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Internet-history
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/01/2024 20:10, Dave Crocker via Internet-history wrote:
>> >> Large email service providers have been on a long march towards
>> >> increasingly restrictive rules, for the mail they will accept. The
>> >> onslaught of email abuse obviously creates a clear and present
>> >> danger. The challenge in formulating acceptance changes is the
>> >> potential for collateral damage to legitimate users.
>> >
>> > This week, AWS customers received an email detailing changes with
>> > Google + Yahoo and others.
>> > See forwarded in full. As an evolution of email, is this likely to
>> > make it more reliable again or will it lead to further
>> deterioration
>> > of the service?
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Olivier
>> >
>> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> > Subject: [Action may be required] Mailbox providers announce
>> new
>> > requirements for bulk email senders [AWS Account: xxx ]
>> > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:26:30 +0000
>> > From: Amazon Web Services, Inc. <no-reply-aws at amazon.com>
>> > To:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > In a move to safeguard user inboxes, Gmail [1] and Yahoo Mail [2]
>> > announced a new set of requirements for senders. Effective February
>> > 2024, the new requirements affect email senders who distribute over
>> > 5,000 bulk messages per day or have >0.3% of messages reported as
>> > spam. Failure to comply with the new requirements may result in
>> Gmail
>> > and Yahoo rejecting message delivery to their customers.
>> >
>> > For more information on the new mailbox provider requirements
>> and how
>> > to comply, please visit the AWS blog [3]. If you have any
>> questions or
>> > concerns, please reach out to AWS Support [4].
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentication-spam-protection/
>> > [2]
>> >
>> https://blog.postmaster.yahooinc.com/post/730172167494483968/more-secure-less-spam
>> > [3]
>> >
>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/messaging-and-targeting/an-overview-of-bulk-sender-changes-at-yahoo-gmail/
>> > [4] https://aws.amazon.com/support
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Amazon Web Services
>> >
>> > Amazon Web Services, Inc. is a subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc.
>> > Amazon.com is a registered trademark of Amazon.com, Inc. This
>> message
>> > was produced and distributed by Amazon Web Services Inc., 410 Terry
>> > Ave. North, Seattle, WA 98109-5210
>>
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