[ih] 'Internet' vs 'internet'

[Joe Touch]

Webster may be reflecting the AP.  We shouldn’t assume deliberate consideration of the alternative where it isn’t in print.

Joe

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Alexander Goldman <agoldmanster at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agree.  While OED, the authority, makes the distinctions described in this discussion (http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/248411), Webster, which may reflect more common usage, does not: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Internet
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:36 AM Paul Ruizendaal <pnr at planet.nl> wrote:
>> I generally concur with the arguments made, but just to voice a contrarian view: maybe ‘Internet' has crowded out ‘internet' in its original meaning, along with ‘network’ changing its meaning over time.
>> 
>> One could argue that both ‘Internet' and ‘internet' now refer to the Internet. What used to be called an internet would now be referred to as a 'network’. What used to be called a network would now be referred to as a network segment, or some such. So we used to speak of an internet of networks, but now we would talk of a network of network segments (in both cases stitched together by switches, bridges and routers). Networks consisting of a single segment, i.e. networks that are not internets are probably few and far between these days.
>> 
>> It is not all that uncommon for words to change their meaning over time:
>> https://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> > On 1 Oct 2018, at 16:31, Joe Touch <touch at strayalpha.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi, Noel,
>> > 
>> > Agreed. Note some other issues I’ve seen:
>> > 
>> > "The Internet Protocol” (not Internet protocol or internet protocol), but “the Internet’s protocols”
>> > 
>> > “IPsec”, not “IPSec”, “IPSEC”, or “ipsec”
>> > 
>> > Agreed on the adjective issue as well - including titles (Internet evangelist, e.g.)
>> > 
>> > Joe
>> > 
>> >> On Oct 1, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> From: Joe Touch <touch at strayalpha.com>
>> >> 
>> >>> The AP and New York Times need educating on this issue too.
>> >> 
>> >> I know some people at the NYW, let me ask them how to proceed.
>> >> 
>> >>> At least one key issue, IMO, is that both variants have distinct meaning.
>> >> 
>> >> This is a very significant point, one I hadn't clearly recognized. Let's see
>> >> if it helps.
>> >> 
>> >> BTW, reading up on this topic, apparently some places capitalize the thing,
>> >> but not its use in adjectival form. I don't believe this is correct. One
>> >> doesn't say 'white house hallway', it would (properly) be 'White House
>> >> hallway'. And 'Internet hosts' has a different meaning (again) from 'internet
>> >> hosts'.
>> >> 
>> >>      Noel
>> > 
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