<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Webster may be reflecting the AP. We shouldn’t assume deliberate consideration of the alternative where it isn’t in print.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Joe</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Oct 3, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Alexander Goldman <<a href="mailto:agoldmanster@gmail.com">agoldmanster@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Agree. While OED, the authority, makes the distinctions described in this discussion (<a href="http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/248411">http://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/248411</a>), Webster, which may reflect more common usage, does not: <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Internet">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Internet</a></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:36 AM Paul Ruizendaal <<a href="mailto:pnr@planet.nl">pnr@planet.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I generally concur with the arguments made, but just to voice a contrarian view: maybe ‘Internet' has crowded out ‘internet' in its original meaning, along with ‘network’ changing its meaning over time.<br>
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One could argue that both ‘Internet' and ‘internet' now refer to the Internet. What used to be called an internet would now be referred to as a 'network’. What used to be called a network would now be referred to as a network segment, or some such. So we used to speak of an internet of networks, but now we would talk of a network of network segments (in both cases stitched together by switches, bridges and routers). Networks consisting of a single segment, i.e. networks that are not internets are probably few and far between these days.<br>
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It is not all that uncommon for words to change their meaning over time:<br>
<a href="https://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/</a><br>
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Paul<br>
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> On 1 Oct 2018, at 16:31, Joe Touch <<a href="mailto:touch@strayalpha.com" target="_blank">touch@strayalpha.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi, Noel,<br>
> <br>
> Agreed. Note some other issues I’ve seen:<br>
> <br>
> "The Internet Protocol” (not Internet protocol or internet protocol), but “the Internet’s protocols”<br>
> <br>
> “IPsec”, not “IPSec”, “IPSEC”, or “ipsec”<br>
> <br>
> Agreed on the adjective issue as well - including titles (Internet evangelist, e.g.)<br>
> <br>
> Joe<br>
> <br>
>> On Oct 1, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Noel Chiappa <<a href="mailto:jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" target="_blank">jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> From: Joe Touch <<a href="mailto:touch@strayalpha.com" target="_blank">touch@strayalpha.com</a>><br>
>> <br>
>>> The AP and New York Times need educating on this issue too.<br>
>> <br>
>> I know some people at the NYW, let me ask them how to proceed.<br>
>> <br>
>>> At least one key issue, IMO, is that both variants have distinct meaning.<br>
>> <br>
>> This is a very significant point, one I hadn't clearly recognized. Let's see<br>
>> if it helps.<br>
>> <br>
>> BTW, reading up on this topic, apparently some places capitalize the thing,<br>
>> but not its use in adjectival form. I don't believe this is correct. One<br>
>> doesn't say 'white house hallway', it would (properly) be 'White House<br>
>> hallway'. And 'Internet hosts' has a different meaning (again) from 'internet<br>
>> hosts'.<br>
>> <br>
>> Noel<br>
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