[ih] ISOC Live 12 Streams 4 - Dr. Larry Roberts - 'The ARPANET & Computer Networks'
Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Sun Dec 30 14:25:45 PST 2018
Guy,
I was certainly not at that meeting in 1986, but I think your analysis
is spot on. Over in Europe many of us would have said much the same,
with an emphasis on "*American* military standards" in a slightly
disparaging tone. Looking at the reports I wrote about CERN network
policy in 1985/86, it's clear that we saw TCP/IP as an interim
solution. It was another three years before I wrote "Is OSI Too Late?"
[Computer Networks and ISDN Systems, 17 (1989) 284-286].
Regards
Brian
On 2018-12-31 08:34, Guy Almes wrote:
> Joly et al.,
> This is very interesting. And it reminds me of the tremendous
> contributions that Larry made.
>
> Just referring to the two "original" videos below, I found the
> second, labelled "ACM" to be fascinating. Some on the list were
> probably present for that Bay Area ACM meeting on the emerging
> phenomenon of "workstations" as the new big thing.
> In that 1986 context, Larry's talk is all the more interesting both
> for what he emphasized and for what he missed.
> His memories of the late-1950s TX-series machines (his 'personal'
> computers) and particularly of his insights on the evolution of the
> ARPAnet program through the early/mid-1970s struck me as spot on.
> Then there is a fascinating and intelligent discussion of Telenet as
> the "successor" to the ARPAnet, the emergence of X.25 as an
> international standard, and his thoughts on the value of commercial
> packet-switched (but what I took to be virtual-circuit) networks crafted
> to address cutting-edge applications such as image transfer.
>
> In hindsight at least, it is startling that the Internet is nowhere
> mentioned in his talk. The only real, but partial, allusion to it comes
> in the Q/A session near the very end. An audience member I don't know
> referred in his question to the "military standard protocols"; in
> Larry's response I took him to be dismissive of those "military standard
> protocols". The then-emerging "international standard protocols" seemed
> to be viewed much more positively.
> While Barry Leiner correctly noted that the "international standard
> protocols" had some major missing pieces, he also spoke of them as the
> coming thing.
> I don't think that anyone, either Larry Roberts or any of those in
> the Q/A session, used the word Internet or referred to the "military
> standard protocols" (i.e., TCP/IP), in a positive light.
> Again, this is 1986.
> If I understand things correctly, the debate within the emerging
> NSFnet project about whether to use TCP/IP was contemporary with this
> 1986 Bay Area ACM meeting.
>
> Did I hear this correctly?
> I'd be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who was present
> for the Bay Area ACM meeting.
>
> -- Guy
>
> The original videos are at
> IHOF https://youtu.be/P7Pj1i6e0s4
> ACM https://youtu.be/qkD4HVRnGJE
>
> On 12/30/18 02:16, Joly MacFie wrote:
>> Apologies to anyone that had problems. No idea where the * came from.
>>
>> Apart from livestream there were 2 simulcasts, so we have...
>>
>> The original videos are at...
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:33 PM Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org
>> <mailto:jack at 3kitty.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but that isn't the problem. With Firefox, I get to the
>> Livestream site, and it puts up the video window with a frozen frame,
>> stays like that for a few seconds, and then simply says "Video could not
>> load or timed out." With Chrome, similar behavior but it just sits
>> there forever displaying a spinning circle instead of an error message.
>>
>> Maybe my desktop just can't do Vimeo for some reason. Wish it had a
>> more helpful error message.
>>
>> /Jack
>>
>>
>> On 12/29/18 5:56 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> > Looking the qoted text in your message, there seems to be a redundant
>> > asterisk in the URL. The URL...
>> > worked for me.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > On 2018-12-30 13:55, Jack Haverty wrote:
>> >> On 12/29/18 3:54 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>> >>> *View on Livestream:...
>> >>
>> >> Grmmpphh.... All I get is "Video could not load or timed out", even
>> >> though I'm on a 100 Mb/s Internet connection.
>> >>
>> >> Are livestream videos archived somewhere (Youtube?) for posterity?
>> >> /Jack
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