[ih] capacity v bandwidth

[Barbara Denny]

 Oops.  Obviously I didn't mean to send the previous email out.   I was thinking about putting my thoughts down (Sometimes i use draft emails like a diary but never send them). Anyway, my preliminary thought is that the full context of  the word router in this email is for a service on the BRL gateway. The entity is still referred to as a gateway. I also used Gemini to check into the history of the  BRL vax. The story of the BRL vax it tells is interesting but probably has lots of problems (like linking it to packet  radio and logical addressing etc.   i haven't heard of any of this. I think it may be throwing stuff in based on my previous queries. I have been playing with it).
BTW, is RIP still around?
barbara
    On Wednesday, June 3, 2026 at 10:26:13 AM PDT, Barbara Denny via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  
 
  

    On Wednesday, June 3, 2026 at 10:11:58 AM PDT, Greg Skinner via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  
 
 On Jun 2, 2026, at 6:14 PM, Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> The proceedings of those early meetings are on line as scanned PDF,
> at https://www.ietf.org/meeting/past/
> 
> For example, in the proceedings of IETF 9 (San Diego, March 1988)
> there are ~18 mentions of "router" and ~63 of "gateway".
> (Approximate numbers because there might be OCR errors in the PDF
> 
> By IETF 17 (Pittsburgh, May 1990) there were ~94 "routers" and
> ~65 "gateways".
> 
> Somebody asked about very old IETF mail archives. As far as I can tell,
> the IETF has an archive of its main list from Thu, 09 April 1992 01:51 UTC
> onwards, when the list was still at ietf at isi.edu. Any earlier archive
> would be of interest and I'm sure they would tack it on.
> 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/?so=date
> 
> (Thence, I was led to my own first-ever message to the IETF list:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/8XWGMC_iHsUWlbsnswyeuo6n_-8/ )
> 
> As of right now, that archive contains 146146 messages.
> 
> Regards/Ngā mihi
>  Brian Carpenter
> 

There is some IETF list mail from December 1989 through December 1990 in the 1990-all <https://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/ietf-mail-archive/ietf/1990-all> file that is part of the collection that was formerly accessible via ftp.  I don’t know of an older online repository for the IETF list. I also find that regrettable.

The oldest mention of ‘router’ I was able to find in tcp-ip list mail that was gatewayed (lol) to USENET news was posted to mod.protocols.tcp-ip by Ron Natalie in 1985 <https://groups.google.com/g/mod.protocols.tcp-ip/c/YZI3-LftuF4/m/ougprRU0kiMJ>.

--gregbo

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