[ih] capacity v bandwidth

[Barbara Denny]

 I doubt it was discussed in a hallway.  To me the early meetings were more like a DARPA meeting which covered more than one project.  People presented their work/ideas and people would discuss it, a very different feeling and style then later. Everyone was in one room as far as I knew. The number of people attending was not that high. I was at the fourth meeting at SRI. Granted I did give a demo of RP and that was a small group.  
barbara
    On Tuesday, June 2, 2026 at 03:28:14 AM PDT, Noel Chiappa via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  
 
     > From: Brian E Carpenter

    > I think we can date it to between June 1988 and June 1989:

    > RFC1058 (RIP, June 1988) uses "gateway" exclusively

    > RFC1105 (the first version of BGP, June 1989) uses "router"
    > exclusively, except in the name of the protocol!

Excellent detective work on the timing!

Given the date, the discussion about doing it should have happened on the
IETF list (the first IETF meeting was in January, 1986, per:

  https://www.ietf.org/meeting/past/

so I'm sure the IETF mailing list was in use by June, 1988). Does anyone know
how far back the IETF mailing lis archives go back (and where they are -
unless those are _also_ lost, unless someone starts an effort to re-create
them - a worthwhile project, as internetting is the biggest advance in
information technology since Gutenberg and the telegraph)?

Unless, of course, it was done as the result of in-person discussion at an
IETF meeting (which, if done in a hallway, might not have left a trace in a
Proceedings).


I would not make any guesses (based on various clues, e.g. where its use
turns up) about _why_ it was done, unless we can locate records of the
discussion to change the term. (There's a reason that, for professional
historians, contemporaneous written records are the 'gold standard'. All
other sources - especially human memory - are very inferior.)

(A good example of this in action can be found here:

  http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/nontech/tmlotus.html
although the finale there was technically of course an old photo, not
"written records" - although old photos are even better, as humans can make
errors in writing things down.)

    Noel
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