[ih] Fwd: Internet Histories Volume 9, issue 3 is BS

[Jack Haverty]

A similar situation exists in places like IEEE.  Bob Hinden, Alan 
Sheltzer, and I wrote an article in 1983:

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1654494

It was about 10 pages, titled "The DARPA Internet: Interconnecting 
Heterogeneous Computer Networks with Gateways".   You can get a PDF but 
it will cost you $15 if you're an IEEE member, and $35 if you're not.  
Two to three dollars per page seems like a high price to pay for 
history.   But as near as I can tell if you buy a PDF you can keep it 
forever.

Question out of curiousity -- who owns the rights to the material we all 
post on this forum?   The authors?  The ISOC?  The public?

/Jack Haverty


On 10/9/25 11:52, John Gilmore via Internet-history wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> Please notice: All research articles in this volume are open access.
> Please notice:  All statements by academic publishers must be very carefully
> parsed.
>
> I guess book reviews are not "research articles".  This journal is
> published by Taylor & Francis, the notorious rapist of academic
> copyrights.  Not aware of that yet, I followed Brian's link to the "full
> volume", and followed a link to the book review of:
>
>    Averting the Digital Dark Age: How Archivists, Librarians, and Technologists Built the Web a Memory, by Ian Milligan
>    Reviewer: Kieran Hegarty
>
> It gave me a teaser first-page, wanted me to "log in", and offered me
> the choice to pay USD 56 for a downloadable PDF of the book review
> (which they would then lock up 48 hours later so I couldn't get it any
> more), or to pay USD 157 for downloadable PDFs (for 30 days) to every
> article in the issue (an even worse sucker deal, since the main articles
> are all "open access" and already available for free).  Indeed, I then
> read one of the main articles, and it was freely readable without
> logging in.  Though to actually download an "open access" PDF, I had to
> first navigate through their proprietary Javascript PDF-reader software,
> whose apparent job is to discourage you from downloading the PDF into
> your browser or filesystem (and to prevent automated web-crawlers like
> the Internet Archive or the Library of Congress from archiving the "open
> access" PDF).
>
> Why would anyone on this list choose to contribute to such an
> enterprise?  The whole thing is set up as a scam, to draw in authors by
> claiming to offer "open access" but actually still including proprietary
> copyrighted information in every volume.  Thus the volumes of the
> journal themselves are NEVER open access, they are proprietary.  They can
> never be archived for posterity, instead only streamed from their
> corporate owner until they tire of provisioning that access.  This is a
> perversion of the process of archiving history, and a perversion of
> "open access" academic publishing.  It contributes to the "digital dark
> age" rather than averting it.
>
> 	John

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