[ih] Internet at Sea
Michael Grant
mgrant at grant.org
Fri Oct 3 02:05:10 PDT 2025
>From "Jack Haverty via Internet-history"
<internet-history at elists.isoc.org>
>Recently I heard anecdotal reports that the Internet on cruise ships works well - but is reliable only when the ship is far out to sea. When it's in port, or even just approaching port, teleconferencing is unreliable. My speculation is that traffic loads when near a port include all the land-based users and the network may be overwhelmed. But that's just speculation, I have no data.
>
I have spent quite a bit of time as passenger on cruise ships these last
few years. I don't know when the Internet started becoming available on
cruise ships but I first used it on-board in 2010 on Holland America.
Simply put, the service was awful and expensive regardless if the ship
was in port or not. It used a geostationary satellite connection using
a dish on a rocker under a ball. When the ship moved a lot, the
internet stopped working. It was charged by the minute and you had to
connect like dial-up through the ship's captive web portal and manually
disconnect when no longer using it. In 2010, iirc, the cost was
something like 50 US cents/min and you spent most of your money waiting.
Since then, the geostationary ship internet has gotten much better. 3
or 4 years ago, I was on a cruise ship which which no longer charged a
per minute charge but still used the similar geostationary link and you
still had to "log on" via a captive portal. We were able to have
absolutely acceptable video calls part of the time. I was amazed
because even with the delay through the geo satellite, the delay was
unnoticeable. I had to prove to myself using ping and traceroute that we
were actually using a geostationary link and not Starlink!
In the last year, I have been on cruise ships that now have Starlink.
They have 12 stationary Starlink pizza box antennae mounted high up near
one of the stacks (6 on each side). They run 12 separate Starlink
connections. I am going to describe what Cunard does but I suspect they
are all similar. Cunard runs a VPN which bonds together the 12
connections such that if any of them goes down the packet is sent out
any antenna. (I don't know which VPN they use nor do I know how they
bond the links, if it's round-robin or not, sorry!) The VPN is
terminated in either Southampton UK or Miami Florida, US depending on
where the ship is (they change over midway across the Atlantic). They
run something like bufferbloat to share the b/w more fairly. They also
run a firewall where they block quite a few sites. I have had to ask
them to unblock things which they have kindly done.
I understand that Starlink sets the pricing on the ships and that they
may have installed the system for little or nothing in exchange for
being able to capture that market. I don't know for sure though. I do
know a lot of cruise ships are installing Starlink now. My only gripe
is they charge per device and it's 2x if you want 2 devices, so for my
wife and I, if we both just want to be able to use whatsapp to find one
another on-board, it's well overpriced. They charge about USD $25/day
per device and have a "special" price where for the cost of 2 devices
you can have up to 4.
The ships do not disable the satellite internet near ports. They
continue to use the satellite network even in port. This is likely
because if they were to somehow connect the ship to the port's wifi they
would quickly saturate it. It's also likely because several of the
ship's systems use their satellite internet and for security reasons
they want that going over their VPN. I have not noticed much difference
sitting in port using the satellite internet than at sea, if anything,
it's better since many people are off the ship. I suspect what Jack may
be referring to is when approaching port people saturate the ship's
internet as they prepare to disembark, like doing research for things to
do or coordinating with friends and family and such. I have my doubts
it has much to do with interference other than maybe if it's Starlink
that the ship starts to compete with other Starlink users on land using
the same space based resource in the sky.
Internet in the cabins has also gotten a lot better over the years.
Cunard has installed Aruba (HP) APs in all the hallways and cabins.
Rather unfortunately one cruise I was on, the wifi in my cabin would
literally seize up. I spent quite a bit of time tracking it down to a
firmware issue that Aruba had issued a patch for but unfortunately it
was not possible to update the firmware at sea because they would have
had to take the entire ship off-line while they did it so it would have
to wait until next time the ship went in for maintenance.
Every cruise ship I have been on in the last 10-15 years also had
separate mobile phone and data available via Maritime Telecommunications
Network (MTN) or other similar companies. This is only turned on when
at sea. At port, they turn off the maritime telecom network and you are
expected to roam on to the local carrier.
I am fairly certain this uses a separate geostationary satellite and
separate dish-on-rocker-in-ball antenna from the internet connection.
Receiving text messages (SMS) has always been free for me and that's
good because the number of times that's saved me when on-board and
needing to go through some 2FA to get into something has been plenty.
However, making and receiving calls, sending texts, and especially using
the mobile data is scarily expensive. I have talked with plenty of
passengers who had no idea and those who had used it unwittingly on
previous cruises only to gotten home to $1000+ phone bills!
Unfortunately, unless you are a little bit savvy, it's all to easy to
just use it because it works.
Ships also seem to have Inmarsat and/or Iridium phones on board but as
far as I am aware this is not hooked up to some general system for the
public. It seems like this is backup or ship to shore coms for the
bridge.
All of my experience above is solely from my experiences as a passenger.
Everything I know here is just from chatting up tech people on board
ships and my own probing around with tools like ping and traceroute.
Unfortunately, I never worked in the maritime or satellite networking
industry myself.
I'd be interested in hearing some of the technical details if someone on
this list knows more. It would also be interesting to see a thread of
the history of internet on air crafts if someone knows about that.
Michael Grant
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