[ih] Archive of internet-history email (and others)

[Jack Haverty]

Narkive says "If you find content on Narkive that you find 
discriminatory against you, please send us an email 
<mailto:abuses at narkive.com> and we will evaluate it to be removed. "   
See https://narkive.com/legalese#

OTOH, there are legal questions that I certainly don't know how to 
answer.  E.g., who owns the material posted on the list?  Who owns the 
messages which contain long chains of previous messages or "digests"?  
When we "signed up" for internet-history, what, if anything, did we 
agree to?  Does ISOC have legal rights to the content?      Same 
questions for the other archive content, e.g., all the newsgroups   Any 
intellectual property lawyers on the list - it's an international issue, 
not just a US one?

In any event, I've already found the Narkive repository to be much more 
usable than the ISOC one.  Having long conversations sorted into threads 
is much easier to use than lots of folders organized by dates.  
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any kind of "search" or "filter" 
capability.

A little history -- Back in the mid-70s, Lick (Licklider) had a vision 
of human-human communications which included the ability for "important" 
content to be copied to The Datacomputer, where it could be accessible, 
and even searchable, for posterity.  Lick thought that archives, and 
other such mechanisms from the non-digital world such as escrow, 
verified sending and delivery, trusted third-parties, distribution 
lists, et al were important to implement in the new digital world.  I 
wrote the code to do that for our own email system.   Such capability 
was deferred in the overall network until the "next" version of mail 
protocols, with focus shifted to a "simple" interim protocol (SMTP).

After 50 years now, I doubt such stuff will ever happen.

Jack



On 3/6/25 17:59, John Levine via Internet-history wrote:
> It appears that touch--- via Internet-history<touch at strayalpha.com>  said:
>> I know it isn’t authorized, but then neither is the wayback machine.
> Well, somewone was feeding it messages from the list's predecessor.  The
> archive stops six years ago, I'm guessing when it moved to ISOC.
>
>> IANAL, but it’s times like this I wish we had one on retainer…
> If you really don't want a copy at narkive, write him a reasonably polite
> letter and I expect he'll delete it.
>
> R's,
> John

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