[ih] Fw: Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?

[Barbara Denny]

 Hope this isn't a duplicate!
barbara
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Barbara Denny <b_a_denny at yahoo.com>To: internet-history-request at elists.isoc.org <internet-history-request at elists.isoc.org>Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 12:02:49 PM PSTSubject: Re: [ih] Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?
  Perhaps you would like to know the plaque used to be inside Rosotti's.  Somewhat recently the building had to go through a major renovation. Luckily the plaque didn't disappear when they had to take things apart to do the work.
barbara
    On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 11:27:35 PM PST, Jack Haverty via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  
 
 [trying again... furst try was rejected "Message too big."   The 
Internet can now handle gigabit speeds, but apparently not emails more 
than 400 kilobytes?]

Nice find!  Here's a picture of the commemorative plaque, It's located 
"on the front of Rosotti’s just to the right of the front door".    A 
friend found it there and took the picture.  /Jack



On 1/30/25 21:25, Barbara Denny via Internet-history wrote:
> Found a better copy of the network diagrams so you can see both TCP and NCP shown in the ARPAnet in 1976.
>
> https://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/CORE-3-1-SRI-TCP-IP.html
> When I have more time, I will see if I can find the SRI progress report that covers this activity.
>
> barbara
>
>
>    On Tuesday, January 28, 2025 at 11:59:57 PM PST, Barbara Denny via Internet-history<internet-history at elists.isoc.org>  wrote:
>  
>    TCP existed prior to 1983 in hosts attached to the various networks that comprised the Internet.  ARPAnet was just one of the networks on the Internet during this time period. Flag day marked the day when NCP would no longer be supported in the ARPAnet. Hosts attached to the ARPAnet needed to use TCP or they would essentially be disconnected.
> Perhaps the network diagrams in this brochure will help you.  Unfortunately I had trouble just grabbing the image of the 1976 2 network internet transmission (Packet Radio and ARPAnet ) so I am including the entire publication.
> https://computerhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/core-2002-02.pdf
>
> barbara
>      On Tuesday, January 28, 2025 at 10:04:22 PM PST, Lars Brinkhoff via Internet-history<internet-history at elists.isoc.org>  wrote:
>  
>  Jack Haverty wrote:
>> SATNET, and ARPANET, were both continuously managed by the NOC at
>> BBN. TCP, and a collection of "core gateways" had become increasingly
>> important to users, especially in the UK in Peter Kirstein's group,
>> which had to rely on TCP through SATNET to access computers in the US.
> This would have been before 1983, correct?  I'm curious which
> (important) computers were avaiable through TCP?
>
> It seems to me the transition from NCP to TCP was somewhat gradual.
> Many histories make a big deal out of the 1/1/83 flag day, as if the
> entire network switched from NCP-only on one day, to TCP-only the next
> day.  But reading more carefully, I gather some hosts were TCP only or
> dual TCP/NCP long before that.  Is that correct?

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