[ih] How TCP and the Internet "won" outside of the US?

[Bob Purvy]

Dave Crocker (hi Dave!) said that, at Wollongong, they had a "TCP to OSI"
migration package, and almost all their European demand was for going in
the opposite direction.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 1:43 PM Miles Fidelman via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> As I understand it, it was the European Interop show.  All the OSI folks
> were promising "real soon now." Meanwhile, all the TCP/IP stuff was on
> display, up and running in the shownet, and available for sales.  So
> much for OSI.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>
> Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> > On 7/23/24 10:16, Gergely Buday via Internet-history wrote:
> >> Russia does not like the open Internet as they did not like Radio Free
> >> Europe.
> >>
> >> - Gergely
> >
> > I've always been curious about the adoption of the TCP-based Internet
> > as it spread outside the US.
> >
> > Inside the US, the Internet, and TCP, was characterized as "an
> > Experiment".   It might provide research insights, but the "real" next
> > generation system was being aggressively developed by big
> > corporations, perhaps to evolve into some kind of OSI standards-based
> > data communications infrastructure for the world - much as the
> > telephone, telegraph, postal, and other such older global
> > communications infrastructures had evolved.
> >
> > The perception of the Internet as just "an experiment" made it of
> > little relevance to the competitors, both corporations and standards
> > bodies, that were battling to define the actual next generation. Thus,
> > as just an Experiment,  the Internet got little attention from
> > corporate or political interests.   It grew on its own and likely
> > surprised a lot of people when it exploded and dominated, especially
> > through the 1990s after the Web appeared and provided content and
> > services interesting to the general public.
> >
> > I've always assumed that the Internet grew outside the US much as it
> > had grown inside.   But is that true?
> >
> > So my question is --- How was the Internet received by the political
> > and commercial interests in other countries?   Was it viewed as a
> > threat, or ignored as irrelevant?  In the US, IIRC a lot of big
> > companies were blindsided by the sudden (to them) emergence of the
> > Internet and TCP.
> >
> > But elsewhere?  For a country that "does not like the open Internet",
> > when did they realize that, and what did they do about it?
> >
> > Any recollections, pointers to literature, etc.?
> >
> > Jack Haverty
> >
> >
>
>
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