[ih] Really old list archives Was: google groups going away feb 22

[Greg Skinner]

On Jan 20, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Dave Crocker via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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> On 1/20/2024 8:21 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>> 1980 is pretty good, seeing as the IETF formed in 1986.
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> prescient?
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> However the second message has the date 8 April 1992, so some form of typo seems more likely, if less interesting.
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> d/
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Using IMAP, the oldest message I was able to access (from the ietf list) is <9204081711.aa29564 at NRI.Reston.VA.US> from Megan Davies. [1] Using the IETF mail archive, and clicking on the Date tab (which reverses the order of messages shown to oldest to newest), the first message displayed  is <9204081731.AA10244 at TIS.COM> from Jim Galvin. [2]

There is a file in the ietf-ftp directory called 1990-all that contains ietf list messages from 1990. [3] Offhand, I don’t know of any earlier complete ietf list.  I hope such a list can be retrieved, because there are some things I would like to reread, such as the discussions that took place during the mid-1980s about Internet congestion that eventually led to Van Jacobson’s TCP modifications, RFCs, etc.

—gregbo

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/vKN0rFgjWkuesWODO-qn5qJc66Q/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/s4c8RdIEC-oKecqUmcPKLQCFVVQ/#
[3] https://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/ietf-mail-archive/ietf/1990-all