[ih] Email reliability

[Andrew G. Malis]

Jack,

Note that this list (Internet History) already properly rewrites the
headers to be conformant with the anti-spam rules. I believe that's true
for all ISOC-based lists.

Cheers,
Andy


On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:33 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> It will likely reduce spam, but also disrupt real email - in particular
> any email that travels using any mailing list (like this one).   The
> effect comes not from the new rules for "bulk senders", but rather from
> the mail servers changes to their filters for handling incoming mail,
> especially the rules that classify mail travelling through mailing lists
> as inherently suspicious.
>
>  From Amazon's blog announcement:
>
> "For example, /gmail.com/ will be publishing a quarantine DMARC policy,
> which means that unauthorized messages claiming to be from Gmail will be
> sent to Junk folders."  It's likely that yahoo and others are taking
> similar steps, effective sometime in the next month or so.  Depending on
> exactly how they set it up, the effect might be that all email from any
> mailing list will be automatically classed as spam, or even just
> silently deleted.
>
> I suspect lots of "mailing lists" will sustain such "collateral
> damage".   Anyone who sends or receives their email using a gmail or
> yahoo address will likely discover that they are effectively cut off
> from using this list (and probably others).
>
> I'm on several mailing lists (isoc, groups.io, googlegroups, ...) and
> haven't seen announcements from any of them about imminent changes.  Nor
> have the "email providers" (yahoo, gmail, etc.) said anything about
> their plans' effects on mailing lists or groups. Perhaps they're just
> not aware of what's happening?...
>
> Jack Haverty
>
>
>
> On 1/14/24 02:56, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Internet-history wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 11/01/2024 20:10, Dave Crocker via Internet-history wrote:
> >> Large email service providers have been on a long march towards
> >> increasingly restrictive rules, for the mail they will accept. The
> >> onslaught of email abuse obviously creates a clear and present
> >> danger.  The challenge in formulating acceptance changes is the
> >> potential for collateral damage to legitimate users.
> >
> > This week, AWS customers received an email detailing changes with
> > Google + Yahoo and others.
> > See forwarded in full. As an evolution of email, is this likely to
> > make it more reliable again or will it lead to further deterioration
> > of the service?
> > Best,
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject:     [Action may be required] Mailbox providers announce new
> > requirements for bulk email senders [AWS Account: xxx ]
> > Date:     Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:26:30 +0000
> > From:     Amazon Web Services, Inc. <no-reply-aws at amazon.com>
> > To:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > In a move to safeguard user inboxes, Gmail [1] and Yahoo Mail [2]
> > announced a new set of requirements for senders. Effective February
> > 2024, the new requirements affect email senders who distribute over
> > 5,000 bulk messages per day or have >0.3% of messages reported as
> > spam. Failure to comply with the new requirements may result in Gmail
> > and Yahoo rejecting message delivery to their customers.
> >
> > For more information on the new mailbox provider requirements and how
> > to comply, please visit the AWS blog [3]. If you have any questions or
> > concerns, please reach out to AWS Support [4].
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentication-spam-protection/
> > [2]
> >
> https://blog.postmaster.yahooinc.com/post/730172167494483968/more-secure-less-spam
> > [3]
> >
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/messaging-and-targeting/an-overview-of-bulk-sender-changes-at-yahoo-gmail/
> > [4] https://aws.amazon.com/support
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Amazon Web Services
> >
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