[ih] IETF relevance (was Memories of Flag Day?)

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Dave Crocker via Internet-history wrote in
 <cfa26777-e4a3-d819-fa79-baaff39f7c56 at dcrocker.net>:
 |On 9/6/2023 3:58 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
 |> Maybe it just takes more time.
 |
 |30 years, and no evident progress in design or adoption is not encouraging.

DNSSEC is also coming, and is "over twenty years" old.

And IETF and noone else has such a Reply-With-Identity: header.
How should MUAs know that the user must not reply in clear text,
but must reply with a specific certificate from a bank (card) /
healthcare (card) / xxx?

And it is oh-so-easy to simply push things onto the browser.

Browsers are dozen-million code line "monsters", and firefox
cannot even display the HTTP realm when it asks for HTTP auth user
and password (whereas lynx and cURL can).  But it can run lots of
scripting, in fact only the basic page of my bank loads 72 scripts
(man is that a mess, and sqlite comes with that single file
amalgamation, yie-ha Texas i think it is; ha-ha), but also
5 images and 5 CSS style sheets.  (Luckily me no online banking.)
Now i am a lazy sort and do not look after potential load chains
therein.  And all over HTTPS, verified via CA pool business.
Well, granted, ri¢h email with HTML and images and stylesheets is
nothing for a hearts pleasure either.  But still.

One of the problem with the western world is, that if you then ask
"smart" people about something, where the public opinion and the
public discourse is very clear, and you can read and hear about it
everywhere, so it is a fact, right?, you end up with ".. but .. it
is not like that" aka "but that is not how it is" (an actual
citation of a German car manager working in a region where Uigurs
live that suddenly came to mind).  Yes.

And then giving up is death.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)