[ih] Invention of The Internet - circa 1920

[vinton cerf]

Didn't the Rothschild's set up a semaphore system to relay stock market
information faster than other means, to their advantage?

v


On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:12 AM John Day via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> In the late 19thC at least in Europe, telegraph was visual, not auditory.
> (Yea, I was surprised too.)  The reason I know is a very good book I highly
> recommend:
> Basil Mahon, The Forgotten Genius of Oliver Heaviside.
> Heaviside had scarlet fever as a child and was badly hard of hearing. But
> because telegraph was visual, he became a telegraph operator for one of the
> first undersea cable companies from the UK to Norway. Later becoming chief
> operator, worked out the theory of transmission lines (I learned why I had
> a semester course for my undergrad EE), and translated Maxwell into vector
> calculus and much else. Heaviside was entirely self-taught.  A pretty
> amazing guy.  (I am guessing that the telegraph scorched marks or holes on
> a paper tape and that punched paper tape came later, but maybe not.)
>
> What Karl is describing is really message switching. Packet switching
> broke up the messages and allowed interleaving different pieces of
> messages, so that short messages didn’t have to wait behind long ones.
> (Still delayed, but shorter completion time. Think OS scheduling.)
>
> While Baran’s interest in inventing packet switching was survivability and
> the military applications, Davies wasn’t doing work for the UK military and
> resiliency was distinctly secondary. His interest was greater efficient use
> of the lines. Think of it as messages switching was FCFS batch processing,
> while packet switching was multiprocigramming. So virtual circuit is
> multiprogramming with contiguous allocation, and datagrams were a tool for
> the next step. The big surprise was that at the time, nothing else was
> needed, except congestion control, which Davies recognized in his 1966
> paper, as did CYCLADES when they adopted it in 1972 and funded Waterloo to
> work on it.
>
> That’s the short version.
>
> BTW, before you read the Heaviside book.
> Read, Nancy Forbes and Basil Mahon, Faraday, Maxwell, and the
> Electromagnetic Field on how they figured out E&M. The establishment kept
> trying to make it Newtonian and it wasn’t of course. It took 3 outsiders to
> figure it out.  It is a fascinating story and sets the stage for Heaviside.
>
> Take care,
> John
>
> > On Nov 28, 2023, at 05:31, Vint Cerf via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Karl,
> > I think you have a reasonable point regarding store/forward and
> telegraph.
> > The early days of telegraphy involved headset, handset, pencil and paper.
> > Teletypes used paper tape and the messages were punched onto tape, fed
> into
> > a teletype and fed down the line. The operators would tear off the tape,
> > hang it on a peg waiting to be forwarded to the next telegraph station.
> > This was called 'torn tape" and literally was store (on the peg) and
> > forward (feed to next teletype connect by dedicated circuit to the next
> > hop).  AUTODIN was a 1960s store and forward messaging system that
> emulated
> > this but all electronically.
> >
> > v
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 3:18 AM Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <
> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> In a couple of pieces that I've written/recorded I tried to nail the
> >> start of the net sometime in the 1830s with the invention of the
> >> electric telegraph.  (But, truly it is an exercise as fruitful as trying
> >> to nail Jello to a ceiling.)
> >>
> >> The reason that I picked that was that the electric telegraph was an
> >> electronic store-and-forward packet switching system.  That is if one
> >> equates telegrams with packets.  The store-and-forward part came from
> >> the manual writing-down and then transmitting on the appropriate
> >> outgoing link at relay locations along the path from the source of the
> >> telegram to the destination.  And whether said in jest as a pun or being
> >> serious it is the case that the signalling on the early telegraph
> >> network was quite "digital", being driven by finger -digit - action.
> >>
> >> I tend to not give much credit to the voice telephone system as a
> >> progenitor of the net as it was largely end-to-end circuit switched and
> >> analog.  (At a later stage I think that the telephone systems' work on
> >> imposing modulated signals onto various media was a significant, even
> >> major, contribution, but a contribution to a design already established
> >> by the telegraph system.)
> >>
> >>     --karl--
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/27/23 11:14 PM, Jared E. Richo via Internet-history wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Marconi Wireless Telegraph, invented circa 1902/1903 [1], set the
> >>> foundation for a LOT of modern technology. It's where I begin in my ~
> >>> 120 years of Vulnerability History talk.
> >>>
> >>> So in this example, just under 20 years later, but before we saw
> >>> wireless used for transferring encrypted/encoded comms, which led to
> >>> another 'fun' chapter in that history (WW2)?
> >>>
> >>> It tracks =) Hard to say if they did any research, but the arbitrary
> >>> (?)  timeline is believable, especially if there were no wars,
> >>> corporate espionage, or whatever else looming at the time.
> >>>
> >>> .b
> >>>
> >>> [1] While that date is more arguably established, the relevance to
> >>> where I begin my talk is a tad more murky. The demo from Marconi and
> >>> his assistants happened at a given time, yes! But the six+ lead-up
> >>> that led to that event happened before the public articles I have seen
> >>> give any attribution to. So I am speaking at "technology inception" vs
> >>> "technology demonstration" vs "technology hacked" vs "omg why was it
> >>> hacked on the day it was 'unveiled'?!". It's a bit nuanced, especially
> >>> via the lens of modern vulnerability disclosure timelines. To this
> >>> day, it is perhaps the most valuable use-case for why it matters.
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/2023 11:47 PM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, it's fiction, but I just saw an interesting episode of Murdoch
> >>>> Mysteries, in which the Internet is invented, over a century ago,
> >>>> with lots of its advantages and foibles revealed.   If you get a
> >>>> chance to se it, it's an interesting alternative view of Internet
> >>>> History, and commentary on the real Internet of today.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18602066/
> >>>>
> >>>> The Inventor, in the TV show, also wears a 3-piece suit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jack Haverty
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