[ih] Archiving Internet history

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Joe Touch wrote in
 <58D73F87-2EA0-4404-A8BB-DB9DF8CB367C at strayalpha.com>:
 |FYI, even cemeteries don’t preserve things “forever”. Plots are leased, \
 |not sold. Libraries disappear, universities dissolve, and churches \
 |are sold and rebuilt.  

It is indeed a rare thing.  microfilms in tunnels are used in
Germany for "worthy" things [1,2 (shows containers)].
I do think Gates uses something in pars comparable to preserve an
archive of myriads of photos (also as a business, prints for cash)

  [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarastollen_underground_archive
  [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarastollen

 |I don’t think this group will find a new solution. 

I think sheer replication is a viable alternative until something
has been proven "worthy" for permanent storage.  Again to note
that isoc does not provide searching, which i find *extremely*
important for lists like this one or TUHS; ie, like what makes
a book of Oxford Press outstanding, all the references and the
index.  (And Nelson Beebe is not here to provide BibTeX
references?  (He was not heard for certainly a year, anyhow.)

P.S.: that reminds me that github.com has also something in
permafrost.
(Thing is, there _are_ two other archives i know, of seeds, one
i think in north Norway, another in some cold mountain of Chile,
or Peru?, iirc, the latter for the thousands of sorts of
human-genetic-manipulation-free potatoes that once existed,
i think the former is even a bit United Nations related, and, now
that i think of it, that one is already a bit in troubles because
the permafrost there is not longer as perma as it was thought to
be.)  Etc etc.

P.P.S.: what is wrong with mail-archive.com ("The Mail Archive
turns your mailing list into a searchable archive")?

Ciao,


P.P.P.S.: and totally off-topic, seen by sheer luck (i do not
look, normally), and because there was a SMTP thread:

Feb 14 20:48:56 postfix/smtpd[4718]: connect from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]
Feb 14 20:48:57 postfix/smtpd[4718]: Untrusted TLS connection established from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]: TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server
-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256
Feb 14 20:48:59 postfix/smtpd[4718]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]: 450 4.2.0 <johnl at iecc.com>: Sender address rejected: Service temporarily faded to Gray; from=<johnl
@iecc.com> to=<steffen at sdaoden.eu> proto=ESMTP helo=<gal.iecc.com>

...[gray listing, RFC 6647]...

Feb 14 20:49:00 postfix/smtpd[4718]: disconnect from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 quit=1 commands=5/6
...
Feb 14 20:55:36 postfix/smtpd[4838]: connect from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]
Feb 14 20:55:36 postfix/smtpd[4838]: Untrusted TLS connection established from gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]: TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server
-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256
Feb 14 20:55:38 postfix/cleanup[4844]: 428DE1605C: message-id=<20230214195538.428DE1605C at sdaoden.eu>
Feb 14 20:55:38 postfix/qmgr[2809]: 428DE1605C: from=<double-bounce at sdaoden.eu>, size=219, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

...[sender address verification -- this is very hip in Germany on
the business front (from multiple senders, simultaneously
even); ie, our main city hospital that uses Microsoft has
a business partner who does nothing but that for them -- it is so
easy to make money, unless you are a stupid left wing, ..whatever]...

Feb 14 20:55:39 postfix/smtp[4845]: 428DE1605C: to=<johnl at iecc.com>, relay=mx1.iecc.com[64.57.183.56]:25, delay=1.6, delays=0.01/0.1/1.4/0.12, dsn=5.0.0, status=undeliverable (host mx1.iecc.c
om[64.57.183.56] said: 553 Blocked due to excessive spam. Contact hostmaster at iecc.com from another network if it is fixed. Requests without the specific IP address will be ignored. (in reply
to RCPT TO command))

[it is like that for years, and i gave up trying; but here it was
all initiated from the other side!]

Feb 14 20:55:39 postfix/qmgr[2809]: 428DE1605C: removed
Feb 14 20:55:41 postfix/smtpd[4838]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
gal.iecc.com[64.57.183.53]: 450 4.1.7 <johnl at iecc.com>: Sender address rejected: unverified address[...]

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)